[TheIckyMan]

Originally Posted by uswdkb42 ↗

So, in this case, the policy of "an eye for an eye" would have been acceptible, so to speak (not saying the "eye" in question is the "brown eyed cyclops," but I guess in this scenario, it is). That's pretty "Old Testament" too, which was a point of your derision toward one of my previous posts in another thread.

Being an atheist, I don't really support the "eye for an eye" mentality but even that seems like a more logical solution—for those of you who believe in objective justice/revenge—than killing him. Nice history about Jesus as it pertains to the discussion, by the way. I remember reading about that topic and thinking it must be one of the main differences between the Old/New Testaments. As for the temple incident, there's another moment recounted in at least 2-3 Gospels wherein Jesus smites a fig tree for some weird-ass reason.

Originally Posted by uswdkb42 ↗

So, like I said before, I think it's great that you're a pacifist, and I totally respect your views, even though you show no respect for mine, or apparently anyone else's here, since you find us all so "laughable."

. . .

Funny how you come off as a total pacifist, yet you launched an attack on me, because I said I would kill the person who killed, and/or raped my family member. Sorry, but I see that as more moralistic than the "eye for an eye" scenario, which you're now embracing. In my view, rape and murder aren't "crimes," equal to a "slap on the cheek," as you apparently perceive them to be. They're desecrations of "Holy places" since our bodies are "Temples of God."

I don't know if "pacifist" quite accurately describes me. I just don't think murder is the best solution nor think that there's any logical or practical reason to kill someone. This karate fellow was clearly a sick motherfucker, I'd never deny that, but he was still potentially subject to reform and I doubt he would have pulled the same shit once he got out.

I do respect your views now that you've articulated them clearly.

Originally Posted by uswdkb42 ↗

And why are you defending the lives of pedophiles, rapists and murderers anyway? If your argument is based on humanity, or "ethical stanards," it's still flawed. This guy was a martial arts instructor, so the other prisoners would have ganged up on him, shanked him, beat him severely every day, while raping him too, and eventually, he would have been killed when he wasn't "fun" any more... whatever it took. Given my druthers, I'd take a bullet to the head, any day. The boy's father actually (most likely) unwittingly saved this "***" (your word, not mine) a very long torture, and short lifetime of intense misery of physical pain and psychological torment.

And who's to say that 'he' wouldn't have become the rapist while incarcerated? He was a martial arts instructor afterall, maybe he really was a badass! Thankfully, we'll never know.

About defending the lives of sick bastards like him, well, I'm simply defending life in general. I'm not sad over his death or anything. In fact, maybe the father did do him a favor. Aside from killing him the dad was being pretty stupid though. First of all, he could have accidentally hit someone else (thankfully he had great aim) and secondly, had he actually gotten a suitable sentence, his son would grow up with an incarcerated father.

For the record I'm completely opposed to homophobia. "***" in this context is sort of interchangeable with "dickhead," but in retrospect, it's uh... too literal of a term to describe a pederast.

[dan-b]

Originally Posted by TheIckyMan ↗

Yes, well... I'd be the first person to chew someone's head off for saying "I could care less what you think," because that's probably the stupidest possible error.

However, for some reason, "could/couldn't give a shit" is different for me. A shit is rather unsavory in nature, so if you truly disliked something, you'd probably be inclined to give it a shit, whereas "couldn't give a shit" just sounds indifferent, and I'm never sure which one I truly feel at the time. The phrase has always been ambiguous to my simple and idiotic mind... *shrug*

Fair enough, I appreciate your response. You're the first person I've raised this with who's ever given a worthwhile explanation. Thank you.

[Andy J]

Shooting him dead is a bit fucked up surely?

[Blewvane]

Justice for all.

[uswdkb42]

Originally Posted by TheIckyMan ↗

Being an atheist, I don't really support the "eye for an eye" mentality but even that seems like a more logical solution—for those of you who believe in objective justice/revenge—than killing him. Nice history about Jesus as it pertains to the discussion, by the way. I remember reading about that topic and thinking it must be one of the main differences between the Old/New Testaments. As for the temple incident, there's another moment recounted in at least 2-3 Gospels wherein Jesus smites a fig tree for some weird-ass reason.



I don't know if "pacifist" quite accurately describes me. I just don't think murder is the best solution nor think that there's any logical or practical reason to kill someone. This karate fellow was clearly a sick motherfucker, I'd never deny that, but he was still potentially subject to reform and I doubt he would have pulled the same shit once he got out.

I do respect your views now that you've articulated them clearly.



About defending the lives of sick bastards like him, well, I'm simply defending life in general. I'm not sad over his death or anything. In fact, maybe the father did do him a favor. Aside from killing him the dad was being pretty stupid though. First of all, he could have accidentally hit someone else (thankfully he had great aim) and secondly, had he actually gotten a suitable sentence, his son would grow up with an incarcerated father.

For the record I'm completely opposed to homophobia. "***" in this context is sort of interchangeable with "dickhead," but in retrospect, it's uh... too literal of a term to describe a pederast.

I don't exactly believe in organized religion, but there are probably some truths in any religion. I don't believe in miracles or any form of "supernatural" BS, so that puts me out of favor with most churches. I had a friend (my own martial arts instructor, who never molested me) who used to quote the verse, "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" and then he followed with, "and that's why He sent ME!" Just being sarcastic, but the point was, that it's up to us to do God's work.

Oh, I TOTALLY agree this father was very lucky to have gotten away with it. The Feds normally don't appreciate it when someone gets a bullet in the brain while in their custody, not to mention if he'd missed, he could have hit one of the Feds. So he did put his child at further risk.

From what I know of pedophiles though, their potential for reform is almost non-existant, and the vast majority will continue to molest kids when they get out of prison.

I don't actually condone killing either, except in self-defense/combat situations where it's either kill or be killed... but I don't comdemn it, in cases like this. Burning the guy alive in the other video was too harsh, and I could never execute anyone in that way. On the other hand, if he did rape and murder someone, I don't feel too bad that he suffered a literal "Hell on Earth" before leaving it. Still I might have pissed on him to put the fire out. He did deserve a fair trial though.

[The Spoon]

Justice served.

[TheIckyMan]

Originally Posted by uswdkb42 ↗

Just being sarcastic, but the point was, that it's up to us to do God's work.

We diverge in philosophies here because I prefer to do my own work.

Originally Posted by uswdkb42 ↗

From what I know of pedophiles though, their potential for reform is almost non-existant, and the vast majority will continue to molest kids when they get out of prison.

Yeah, it's probably fair to assume pedophilia can't be cured. That kind of sexual preference is pretty concrete. However, I figured serving time in prison could act as a deterrent from actual molestation in the future, even if one's preference is the same.

[Gertcha!]

What a fantastic ending to the story. Marvellous.

[uswdkb42]

Originally Posted by TheIckyMan ↗

We diverge in philosophies here because I prefer to do my own work.

Actually, it's pretty much the same thing in the context which I refer to "God." I don't see God as being "up there somewhere" watching over us. I see God as something growing within mankind; a more evolved "collective consciousness" of humanity, just to clarify how I can believe in God, without believing in the supernatural. However, this was my friend's philosophy, not my own, and his view of God is closer to the church's than my own.

Originally Posted by TheIckyMan ↗

Yeah, it's probably fair to assume pedophilia can't be cured. That kind of sexual preference is pretty concrete. However, I figured serving time in prison could act as a deterrent from actual molestation in the future, even if one's preference is the same.

It would be nice if that were the case, but usually, they molest again when they get out. I would support a "Clockwork Orange" style behavioral modification program. In theory, something like that would have far more success than the penal system.

[jacob beghner]

did he get shot in the eardrum. direct braining. douchbag rapist