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You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half awake, and nearly paralised with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door to open it. In the darkness you make out two shadows, one holds a weapon - it looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second intruder crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble. In your country most firearms were outlawed years before and the few that are legally privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered.
Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
When you talk to your attorney he tells you not to worry, authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter. "What sort of sentence will i get?" you ask. "Only ten to twelve years" he replies as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself and you'll be out in seven". The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choir boys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both 'victims' have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all. "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve To Die'.
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood type pranksters. As the day wears on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero. Your attorney says that the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of the local police for their lack of effort apprehending the suspects. After the last break in, you told your neighbour that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.
A few months later, you go on trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges. The judge sentences you to life in prison.


This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Enmesh, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.
How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire?
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns. Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.
Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead. The British public, already de-sensitized by 80 years of 'gun control', demanded even tougher restrictions. The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.
Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scottland, Thomas Hamilton used a semi automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school. For many years the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens. During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self defence came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self defence was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released. Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying "We can not have people take the law into their own hands". All of Martins neighbours had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.
When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to hand them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten year prison sentences if they didn't comply.
Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200 000 handguns from private citizens. How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.

Sound familiar?

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In the first place, after killing the vermin who were in my home, I would call the police, shoot both and scream, "The burglars did it!"

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Old 04-29-2013, 08:26 AM
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Solution... move to Texas, not a jury in our land would convict you, White good ol boy and Mexicans, both cultures would honor your deed of protecting yourself.

Humans are smart enough to invent machines, in this case guns, and then dumb enough to blame those machines for man's own stupidity

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Or you could come to Louisiana. Pretty kosher gun laws down here too.

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Old 05-02-2013, 08:14 AM
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I'm sorry but that story is seriously skewed, and needlessly so because it would still deliver the intended message to the target audience without the glaring omissions and "embellishments".

I do believe that people should have a right to defend themselves in their own homes but "self defence" by discharging a firearm has historically been considered disproportionate in the UK and often lead to manslaughter charges (read on though, things here are changing). BTW, there's no mention of his appeal that reduced his sentence to 5 years with a minimum of 3 before parole (which he got). Even before Dunblane and the handgun ban, someone who shot and killed an intruder brandishing a crowbar could have expected a similar sentence.

Shotguns (apart from short/sawn barrel) have never been subject to the legislation mentioned after the 1967 act. It's still relatively trivial to obtain a shotgun license in the UK, he didn't and I'm sure that did nothing to help his case. He could still have got 5 years just for owning that gun.

As I mentioned, things are changing here so it further the propaganda nature of your story to throw this in the mix. Also, two years ago a man in Manchester was cleared of fatally stabbing an intruder when he pled a mitigation of self defence.

I was very aware of the Dunblane situation and the Cullen Inquiry, my Father and I had guns at the time. I clearly remember the police amnesties leading up to the handgun ban. People were handing in all manner of firearms, not just handguns. You'll be hard pressed to find any commentary opposing the proposed handgun bans at that time, whether that was an effect of the media or a cultural difference, I don't know but the shooting clubs generally supported the legislation too.

The parts about the media portrayal of Tony Martin and the intruders was absolutely spot on. It was disgusting.

The part about authorities refusing to grant firearms licenses on the grounds of self defence goes back much further than Dunblane. It has never in my lifetime been a valid reason to obtain a license, however, we are talking about licenses for rifles. Shotgun licenses are issued without the need for justification and are only subject to background checks.

The contents of your post are written with glaring bias that only serves to degrade the fairly valid message.

The results of our handgun bans and restrictions on other firearms mean that civilian shootings in the UK are now exceptionally rare. I'm sure I speak for the majority in my country when I say that I prefer that to a gun-toting populous where any moron could at any moment pull out a piece in a fit of anger and dispatch their neighbour.

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As I mentioned, things are changing here so it wouldn't further the propaganda nature of your story to throw this in the mix. Also, two years ago a man in Manchester was cleared of fatally stabbing an intruder when he pled a mitigation of self defence.
Glaring omission in the above passage!

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im glad things are changing over there. in my view at least it seems more that gun crime is the symptom. it would appear that the places that have the strict gun control or bans still have a rather high rate of violent crime just less shootings and more stabbings and bashings.

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Tony Martin is in the news again...
Tony Martin confronts thieves at his Emneth Hungate farm
A farmer who killed a teenage burglar at his home in Norfolk 13 years ago has been targeted by intruders again.

Tony Martin, who was jailed in 2000 for shooting Fred Barras at Emneth Hungate, said two men tried to steal a pair of £90 batteries from his barn.

He said he was frustrated decided not to take any action against them for fear of going back to jail.

Norfolk Police confirmed they had been called to reports of an attempted burglary at Mr Martin's farm.

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I would've, definitely, blamed the moron who escaped! "The dude who died attempted to chase me. I knew my own home better, and got away from him, and went for the other dude, holding the gun, officers. I tried to grab the gun from him to keep him from using it on anyone, and almost had it wrenched from his grip. While I had a hold of, prolly, 98-99% of the gun, he had 100% of the trigger. Perhaps his finger was caught, or something! The gun went off and his friend went down. I'm not sure if he thought it was me he was firing at or not. But, it seems reasonable to me to believe that he, indeed, did think it was me. After all, his friend is dead. I don't know where they got the gun. But, if I were you, I'd be trying to find this other guy and enquire as to his gun's registry. People shouldn't be walking around commiting armed robbery! What were they thinking?!"

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