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*UPDATE* Muslim Staff at Marks & Spencer Can Refuse to Sell Alcohol and Pork



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Muslim staff working for Marks & Spencer have been given permission to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products
Its policy decision has highlighted a split among the big food retailers over whether religious staff should be excused certain jobs.
In contrast to M&S, Sainsbury’s said it had issued official guidelines that stated there was no reason why staff who did not drink alcohol or eat pork for religious reasons could not handle the goods.
The advice followed consultations with religious groups, said a spokesman.
Tesco said it treated each case on its merits, but said it “made no sense” to employ staff on a till who refused to touch certain items for religious reasons.

Asda said it would not deploy Muslims on tills who objected to handling alcohol, while Morrisons, which is based in Bradford where there is a large Muslim community, said it had widespread experience of dealing with the issue and would “respect and work around anyone’s wishes not to handle specific products for religious or cultural reasons”.
At M&S, Muslim staff who do not wish to handle alcohol or pork have been told they can politely request that customers choose another till at which to pay.
At one of its stores in central London last week, customers waiting with goods that included pork or alcohol were told by a Muslim checkout worker to wait until another till became available. The assistant was extremely apologetic at having to ask customers to wait.
One customer, who declined to be named, said: “I had one bottle of champagne, and the lady, who was wearing a headscarf, was very apologetic but said she could not serve me. She told me to wait until another member of staff was available.
“I was taken aback. I was a bit surprised. I’ve never come across that before.”
Customers trying to buy alcoholic drinks for Christmas were also asked to wait.
An M&S spokesman said: “We recognise that some of our employees practise religions that restrict the food or drink they can handle, or that mean they cannot work at certain times.
“M&S promotes an environment free from discrimination and so, where specific requests are made, we will always make reasonable adjustments to accommodate them, whilst ensuring high levels of customer service.”
The policy applies throughout its 700-plus stores. The spokesman said the policy of tolerance applied to other religions, so, for example, Christians who did not want to work on Sundays and religious Jews who chose not to work on Saturdays would also be excused. “This is something we decide on a case-by-case basis,” the spokesman added.
Sainsbury’s policy is set out in a booklet called The Little Book of Faith, which was issued by its human-resources department.
A spokesman said: “We have guidelines in place that set out the requirements and beliefs of different religions, which we have previously discussed and agreed with religious organisations and community groups.
“We treat everyone fairly, so although our colleagues on tills or replenishing stock will be asked to handle alcohol and meat, we will always work closely with individuals to ensure we are inclusive and fair to all.”
Sainsbury’s guidance advises that all staff — regardless of religious beliefs — are able to handle meat and alcohol. In other words, the same rules apply to everyone, irrespective of religion.
“If a [religious] belief involves not eating or drinking something in particular, they can still handle the food or drink as part of their job,” said a Sainsbury’s source.
The supermarket added that it would consult on a “case-by-case basis” if need be.
Morrisons said it had been a long-standing, unwritten rule that Muslim staff could opt out of serving alcohol.
A Morrisons spokesman said: “We would respect and work around anyone’s wishes not to handle specific products for religious or cultural reasons, regardless of the time of year.”
A Tesco spokesman said: “We don’t have a specific policy and take a pragmatic approach if a colleague raises concerns about a job they have been asked to do.”
She added: “It would not make sense to have somebody on the till if they cannot handle certain items.”
Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, the former bishop of Rochester, who has voiced fears that Britain is losing its Christian identity and warned of the dangers of the influence of radical Islamic beliefs, said supermarket customers risked feeling uncomfortable if they were told they would have to wait to be served just because they were buying alcohol.
He said: “If supermarkets do not put up a notice saying this desk does not handle alcoholic beverages, it runs the risk shoppers could be humiliated when they get to the checkout.”
Shopworkers — Christian or not — have the right to refuse to work on Sundays, although Dr Nazir-Ali believes many choose not to exercise that right for fear of missing out on promotions or losing wages.
A report issued in 2005 by the Muslim Council for Britain and the former Department of Trade and Industry considers the example of a devout Muslim asked to work on the meat section of a supermarket.
The official guidance concludes: “If you feel that you cannot handle pork as a Muslim, then you should discuss this with your manager.
“A policy that all staff must work in the meat section of the supermarket may amount to indirect discrimination since it disadvantages Muslims.
“Your employer should try and accommodate your request where possible.”
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Re: Muslim Staff at Marks & Spencer Can Refuse to Sell Alcohol and Pork

If i was refused i'd never shop with that company again.

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Re: Muslim Staff at Marks & Spencer Can Refuse to Sell Alcohol and Pork

I have always found muslim staff in shops, including those with Hijab's, in fact those in hijabs more so, to be polite, cortious and extremely friendly at all times and it would be vary rare for any of my purchaces to not have nicotine, pork or alcohol.

If they have a problem with serving they can go work in another department. No issue here. I have lived and worked in muslim areas and this has never been a issue. I live in london and its only the muslim run shops where you can get a sly beer at 4am.

If someone on a till does not serve you they are a cunt. Thats it.

However there is nothing wrong with a company making previsons for staff. If i worked at a store I would rather not serve people who buy the sun. now it may mean moving me from all till dutys but it would be very nice of my company to not sack me and allow or acknowledge personal beliefs.

People who refuse to sell alchohol or pork for religious resons will not work the till, working the till is a few more pennys then stacking the shelves, so they loose out. Like I said its the young muslim girls (most of the time students) who I generally have serve me in shops and they are always friendly.

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Persoanally I dont understand what all the fuss is about, they are only touching the packaging anyway

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Persoanally I dont understand what all the fuss is about, they are only touching the packaging anyway
there is no fuss in real life. only in the papers

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Re: Muslim Staff at Marks & Spencer Can Refuse to Sell Alcohol and Pork

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Persoanally I dont understand what all the fuss is about, they are only touching the packaging anyway
Right?

I'll bet they still cash their paycheck - even though it comes from a company owned by a non-Muslim who profited from selling products and services they don't approve of to non-Muslims.

People shouldn't get preferential treatment because of their religion. Religion: unlike sexual orientation or nationality is a CHOICE.

The owner should try changing his hiring policy and refuse to employ Muslims because it's against his beliefs... see how that goes for him.

Europe is making a grave mistake by coddling, kowtowing, and responding to aggression with appeasement.

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None of this shit surprises me any more, that's the saddest part about this.

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Re: Muslim Staff at Marks & Spencer Can Refuse to Sell Alcohol and Pork

That's as stupid as a male cashier refusing to touch certain feminine products. If they are that stupid, then fire them.

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What is this world coming to

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Re: Muslim Staff at Marks & Spencer Can Refuse to Sell Alcohol and Pork

This is interesting. What if someone claimed that due to their religious beliefs they couldn't ring up a sale of condoms or the morning after pill?

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