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Old 12-15-2011, 03:33 PM
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I've been saying it for the past 5 years: the constitution and the amendmends need substantial reconstruction. If every idiot out there runs around with their stupid freedom of speech, then, well, we'd all be uneducated morons spewing propaganda in the streets like with these protests. Freedom of speech, not freedom of stupidity, or laziness. I say: rewrite the Bill of Rights.
As far as the National Defense Authorization Act (and also the website seizing from 2010-2011) are concerned, fuck due process trials. You did something criminally wrong or encouraged it, you pay the price. So many people on Earth complain about trials taking fucking forever anyways and how the judicial system is overprocessed. Well these are several steps to rewrite the overly complicated system that we have.

And, honestly, all of this will have a major impact on basically no one's lives, unless you really fucked yourself over, so get over it. Canada doesn't proclaim "freedom of speech" and Quebec never signed the Canada Act... but yet everybody loves Canada, why do you think that is? (Why do Aussies love Australia so much?) It's because people there are fine with the rules and culture in place, so changes in liberty aren't so important. And they shouldn't be.

All this "anti-government" and "take a stand" and "vote now" propaganda is just sucking the fun out of being in the USA. What government should do is help out people who are wrongly in poverty, thoroughly clean up crime/the streets, and get people back to having fun and with more money to spare.

And I speak the truth: I'm not here to make anyone happy.
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not sure that everyone is understanding what is happening. the wording has been changed only slightly. we are still in danger now that it has passed both house and senate and obama has already promised that he will not veto this.

yes, the national defense bill has been passed every year for 48 years, but these new sections are scary. 1031, 1032.

The National Defense Appropriations Bill for 2012. SB 1867
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12s1867pcs.pdf
it's 682 pages long, you need to go to page 359 for section D, Detainee matters, section 1031

i'm going to cut and paste a section that begins on page 360.

13 (2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in
14 paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose de
15 tention is authorized under section 1031 who is de
16 termined—
17 (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-
18 Qaeda or an associated force that acts in co
19 ordination with or pursuant to the direction of
20 al-Qaeda; and
21 (B) to have participated in the course of
22 planning or carrying out an attack or attempted
23 attack against the United States or its coalition
24 partners.
VerDate Mar 15 2010 01:53 Nov 16, 2011 Jkt 019200 PO 00000 Frm 00361 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1867.PCS S1867 tjames on DSK6SPTVN1PROD with BILLS
362
•S 1867 PCS
1 (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For
2 purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a per
3 son under the law of war has the meaning given in
4 section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise
5 described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be
6 made unless consistent with the requirements of sec
7 tion 1033.
8 (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The
9 Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the
10 Secretary of State and the Director of National In
11 telligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if
12 the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in
13 writing that such a waiver is in the national security
14 interests of the United States.
15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
18ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.


First of all, remember the patriot act. the government is allowed to listen/tape the conversations of ANYONE "they" deem a terrorist. and notice on line 23 under COVERED PERSONS, if you are a threat to a coalition partner, you are also a terrorist threat to the united states of america.

line 17 under DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR; read it well, it only says that united states citizens cannot be detained by the military. it does not promise that we will never be detained by any other agency indefinitely.

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not sure that everyone is understanding what is happening. the wording has been changed only slightly. we are still in danger now that it has passed both house and senate and obama has already promised that he will not veto this.

yes, the national defense bill has been passed every year for 48 years, but these new sections are scary. 1031, 1032.

The National Defense Appropriations Bill for 2012. SB 1867
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12s1867pcs.pdf
it's 682 pages long, you need to go to page 359 for section D, Detainee matters, section 1031

i'm going to cut and paste a section that begins on page 360.

13 (2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in
14 paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose de
15 tention is authorized under section 1031 who is de
16 termined—
17 (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-
18 Qaeda or an associated force that acts in co
19 ordination with or pursuant to the direction of
20 al-Qaeda; and
21 (B) to have participated in the course of
22 planning or carrying out an attack or attempted
23 attack against the United States or its coalition
24 partners.
VerDate Mar 15 2010 01:53 Nov 16, 2011 Jkt 019200 PO 00000 Frm 00361 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\S1867.PCS S1867 tjames on DSK6SPTVN1PROD with BILLS
362
•S 1867 PCS
1 (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For
2 purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a per
3 son under the law of war has the meaning given in
4 section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise
5 described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be
6 made unless consistent with the requirements of sec
7 tion 1033.
8 (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The
9 Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the
10 Secretary of State and the Director of National In
11 telligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if
12 the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in
13 writing that such a waiver is in the national security
14 interests of the United States.
15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
18ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.


First of all, remember the patriot act. the government is allowed to listen/tape the conversations of ANYONE "they" deem a terrorist. and notice on line 23 under COVERED PERSONS, if you are a threat to a coalition partner, you are also a terrorist threat to the united states of america.

line 17 under DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR; read it well, it only says that united states citizens cannot be detained by the military. it does not promise that we will never be detained by any other agency indefinitely.

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want to know how your state representatives and senators voted?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00218

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Ron Paul would get rid of the NDAA. As well as SOPA, protect ip, and the patriot act, just to name a few things that are stripping us of our rights...

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Ron Paul would get rid of the NDAA. As well as SOPA, protect ip, and the patriot act, just to name a few things that are stripping us of our rights...

I'd vote RP in if i was american.

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I've been saying it for the past 5 years: the constitution and the amendmends need substantial reconstruction. If every idiot out there runs around with their stupid freedom of speech, then, well, we'd all be uneducated morons spewing propaganda in the streets like with these protests. Freedom of speech, not freedom of stupidity, or laziness. I say: rewrite the Bill of Rights.
As far as the National Defense Authorization Act (and also the website seizing from 2010-2011) are concerned, fuck due process trials. You did something criminally wrong or encouraged it, you pay the price. So many people on Earth complain about trials taking fucking forever anyways and how the judicial system is overprocessed. Well these are several steps to rewrite the overly complicated system that we have.

And, honestly, all of this will have a major impact on basically no one's lives, unless you really fucked yourself over, so get over it. Canada doesn't proclaim "freedom of speech" and Quebec never signed the Canada Act... but yet everybody loves Canada, why do you think that is? (Why do Aussies love Australia so much?) It's because people there are fine with the rules and culture in place, so changes in liberty aren't so important. And they shouldn't be.

All this "anti-government" and "take a stand" and "vote now" propaganda is just sucking the fun out of being in the USA. What government should do is help out people who are wrongly in poverty, thoroughly clean up crime/the streets, and get people back to having fun and with more money to spare.

And I speak the truth: I'm not here to make anyone happy.
Groan me the fuck down if you don't like it.
Remove the constitution and implement a military dictatorship. Way to go, champ. That's the same dumb shit the Germans did in 1934, and in the process, created a Frankenstein.

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Ron Paul would get rid of the NDAA. As well as SOPA, protect ip, and the patriot act, just to name a few things that are stripping us of our rights...
Libertarian -----> Republican.

Yup. I'd want him in my corner.

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US politics I don't fully understand

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