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I only know about the body armour i have seen and owned, and the 'armour' on that clip looks remarkably similar to a fragment vest i used to own about 20 years ago. It is now illegal to own any type of body armour in Australia.
It's illegal in Austrelia!? Why is that?

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I really don't know why you don't just give up. You are literally the only one defending the police in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

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I really don't know why you don't just give up. You are literally the only one defending the police in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
There is no evidence that the police are wrong, and there is no evidence that the Marine was wrong. I was stateing my opinion and suporting it. Now, please STFU and GTFO. Thankyou.

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It's illegal in Austrelia!? Why is that?
Prohibited Weapons Act NSW

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Weapons Prohibition Act 1998 No 127


Schedule 1 Prohibited weapons

(Section 4 (1))

1 Knives
(1) A flick knife (or other similar device) that has a blade which opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by any pressure applied to a button, spring or device in or attached to the handle of the knife.
(2) A ballistic knife that propels a knife-like blade of any material by any means other than an explosive.
(3) A sheath knife that has a sheath which withdraws into its handle by gravity or centrifugal force or if pressure is applied to a button, spring or device attached to or forming part of the sheath, handle or blade of the knife.
(4) An Urban Skinner push dagger or any other device that consists of a single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike that has a handle fitted transversely to the blade or spike and allows the blade or spike to be supported by the palm of the hand so that stabbing blows or slashes can be inflicted by a punching or pushing action.
(5) A trench knife or any other device that consists of a single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike that is fitted with a handle made of any hard substance that can be fitted over the knuckles of the hand of the user to protect the knuckles and increase the effect of a punch or blow, or that is adapted for such use.
(6) A butterfly knife or “balisong” or any other device that consists of a single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike that fits within 2 handles attached to the blade or spike by transverse pivot pins and is capable of being opened by gravity or centrifugal force.
(7) A star knife or any other device that consists of a number of angular points, blades or spikes disposed outwardly about a central axis point and that are designed to spin around the central axis point in flight when thrown at a target.

2 Miscellaneous weapons
(1) Any bomb, grenade, rocket, missile or mine (or other similar device, such as a tear-gas canister) that is in the nature of (or that expels or contains) an explosive, incendiary, irritant or gas, and whether or not it is “live” or has been deactivated. A “live” rocket must have a propellant charge of more than 100 grams, and a “live” missile must have an explosive or incendiary charge of more than 7 grams, for it to be a prohibited weapon.
(2) A flame thrower that is of military design, or any other device that is capable of projecting ignited incendiary fuel.
(3) Any device that is designed to propel or launch a bomb, grenade, rocket or missile by any means other than by means of an explosive, including a device known as a PVC cannon.
(4) A spear gun having an overall length (being the length of the spear gun when it is not loaded with a spear) of less than 45 centimetres.
(5) A crossbow (or any similar device) consisting of a bow fitted transversely on a stock that has a groove or barrel designed to direct an arrow or bolt.
(6) A slingshot (being a device consisting of an elasticised band secured to the forks of a “Y” shaped frame), other than a home-made slingshot for use by a child in the course of play.
(7) A Saunders “Falcon” Hunting Sling, or any other device in the nature of a hunting sling, catapult or slingshot that is designed for use with, or a component part of which is, a brace that:
(a) fits or rests on the forearm or on another part of the body of the user, and
(b) supports the wrist against the tension of elastic material used to propel a projectile.
(8) A blow-gun or blow-pipe that is capable of projecting a dart, or any other device that consists of a pipe or tube through which missiles in the form of a dart are capable of being projected by the exhaled breath of the user or by any other means other than an explosive.
(9) Any dart capable of being projected from a blow-gun or blow-pipe.
(10) A Farallon Shark Dart, or any other similar device that is designed to expel, on contact, any gas or other substance capable of causing bodily harm and which is reasonably capable of being carried concealed about the person.
(11) A dart projector known as the Darchery dartslinger, or any other similar device that is designed to project a dart by means of an elasticised band.
(12) A mace or any other similar article that consists of a club or staff fitted with a flanged or spiked head, other than a ceremonial mace made for and used solely as a symbol of authority on ceremonial occasions.
(13) A flail or any other similar article that consists of a staff or handle that has fitted to one end, by any means, a freely swinging striking part that is armed with spikes or studded with any protruding matter.
(14) A whip that has a lash which is comprised wholly or partly of any form of metal.
(15) A whip known as a cat-o’-nine-tails, or any other whip that consists of a handle to which there is attached any number of knotted lashes.
(16) Kung fu sticks or “nunchaku”, or any other similar article consisting of 2 or more sticks or bars made of any material that are joined together by any means that allows the sticks or bars to swing independently of each other.
(17) A side-handled baton or any other similar article consisting of a baton, staff or rod that is made of any hard substance and has fitted to one side a handle, whether or not that handle is permanently fixed.
(17A) An extendable or telescopic baton.
(18) Any hand-held defence or anti-personnel device that is designed to administer an electric shock on contact, such as the Taser Self-Defence Weapon or an electrified brief-case, but not including any such hand-held device that may lawfully be used on an animal in accordance with the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.
(19) Knuckle-dusters or any other similar article that is made of any hard substance and that can be fitted over the knuckles of the hand of the user to protect the knuckles and increase the effect of a punch or other blow or that is adapted for use as such.
(20) A sap glove, or any other similar article, that consists of a glove (including a fingerless glove) that has a layer of powdered lead sewn under the outer covering and positioned over the knuckle area on the back of the glove.
(21) A studded glove, or any other similar article, that consists of a glove (including a fingerless glove) that has a number of raised studs or spikes made of a hard substance and positioned over the back of the glove to increase the effect of a punch or blow.
(22) Any device designed or intended as a defence or anti-personnel spray and that is capable of discharging by any means any irritant matter comprising or containing any one or more of the following substances in liquid, powder, gas or chemical form:
(a) chloroacetophenone, known as CN,
(b) orthochlorobenzalmalononitrile, known as CS,
(c) dypenylaminechloroarsone, known as DM or Adamsite,
(d) oleoresin capsicum, known as OC.
(23) Any device (not being a device referred to in subclause (22)) designed as a defence or anti-personnel spray and that is capable of discharging any irritant matter.
(24) Any acoustic or light-emitting anti-personnel device that is designed to cause permanent or temporary incapacity or to otherwise disorientate persons.

3 Replicas, imitations, concealed blades etc
(1) Any imitation or replica of a bomb, grenade, rocket, missile or mine (or similar device), unless it is of an approved type.
(2) Any imitation or replica of a firearm in respect of which a licence or permit is required under the Firearms Act 1996 (including any imitation or replica pistol, blank fire pistol, shortened firearm, machine gun or sub-machine gun), unless it is of an approved type.
(3) A walking stick or cane that contains a sword or any other single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike of any length or of any material.
(4) A riding crop that contains a knife, stiletto or any other single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike of any length or of any material.
(5) A Bowen Knife Belt or any other similar article consisting of a belt or belt buckle that conceals or disguises within the article a knife or a single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike of any length or of any material.
(6) Any article or device that:
(a) due to its appearance is capable of being mistaken for something else that is not a weapon, and
(b) disguises and conceals within it a single-edged or multi-edged blade or spike of any length or of any material.

4 Miscellaneous articles
(1) Body armour vests (or any other similar article) designed for anti-ballistic purposes and to be worn on any part of the body (other than helmets or anti-ballistic articles used for eye or hearing protection).
(2) Handcuffs (other than antique handcuffs, or children’s toy handcuffs, that are of an approved type).
(3) Silencers or any other device designed for attachment to a firearm for the purpose of muffling, reducing or stopping the noise created by firing the firearm.
(4) A firearm magazine, being:
(a) a rimfire magazine with a capacity of more than 15 rounds, or
(b) a centre-fire self-loading rifle magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds, or
(c) a shotgun magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds, or
(d) a shotgun tubular magazine extension that is capable of extending the capacity of a shotgun magazine to more than 5 rounds, or
(e) a pistol magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds.
(5) Any article or device, such as a device known as a brass catcher, that is designed to be attached to a firearm for the purposes of catching ejected cartridge cases when the firearm is being fired.
(6) Any portable tyre deflation device, or any other similar portable device, that is designed to puncture, or that has been adapted for the purposes of puncturing, the tyres of a motor vehicle when driven over the device.

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It's illegal in Austrelia!? Why is that?
Fucked if i can give you a no bullshit answer to that one mate, it's like the question of what happened to Harold Holt.

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Just look at that Prohibited Weapons Act, i broke at least half of those laws before i turned 12!!

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Just look at that Prohibited Weapons Act, i broke at least half of those laws before i turned 12!!
Thats quite a list!

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......and i had to make my own guns back then too. Had a bastard of a time getting gun powder.

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This article makes me fucking sick... Calling a shooting unjustified after a suspect verbally threatens officers, then raises a rifle at them... it's beyond comprehension for me. Lights and sirens, 10+ cop cars in front of your house... repeated warnings... And still, you want to greet then with an AR15 and "I've got something for you guys." Un-fucking-believable that this investigation is still going on...

TUCSON, Ariz. - Jose Guerena was killed by Pima County Sheriff's deputies as they searched his home. Initially, officers said he fired at them first, but later learned he never pulled the trigger.

Generally, law enforcement agencies use SWAT teams to serve search warrants if they believe the homeowner is armed.

Guerena's supporters say that policy puts homeowners who are trained officers at risk and in this case, it cost a man his life.

Oath Keepers, a group dedicated to defending the U.S. Constitution, gathered at Purple Heart Park in Tucson Monday. They rallied in honor of Guerena, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran of the Iraq War.

"It's tragic..it should have never happened," said Ray Epps.

But Guerena didn't die on the battlefield. He was killed at his home near Tucson as deputies served a search warrant on May 5.

You can see the bullet holes in the home next a growing memorial.

Guerena was shot 60 times. He was suspected of being a drug trafficker, but no drugs were found. He was armed, but no shots were fired from the house.

"To serve a search warrant in this way is unreasonable. I can't imaging a more unreasonable search than one that kills you, so this should not have happened," said Stewart Rhodes.

Oath Keepers are taking a stand against using SWAT to serve simple search warrants on trained officers or gun owners who have no criminal record.

"I don't see any law enforcement officer, any peace officer, I don't see anybody who has been trained any differently," said Epps.

"Were not talking about a hostage situation or barricade suspect or a refugee from the law, we're talking about serving a search warrant on a young two-tour Iraq veteran Marine who had a totally clean record," said Rhodes. "He had like four traffic tickets, that's it."

The Pima County Sheriff's Department will not comment on this case until the investigation is complete.

Guerena leaves behind a wife, two children and a large extended family.

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First they said he was part of a home invasion crew. Then he was a drug dealer. Then they said he was "ripping off" drug dealers. Then they said his house was one of many involved.

When none of the so-called evidence turned up, they said he has lots of guns. Apparently owning firearms is rare in the U.S. much less Arizona.

Then they said he has body armor. Apparently, no one owns or sells body armor in Ariz... oh wait body armor is legal to own and sell.

Then they said he had part of an officers uniform. What part exactly, after all he was active duty in the marines and while I'm not sure what he was doing in it he may have been a MP.(and don't the swat uniforms look paramilitary hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm?)

Then they said that he was such a threat that the search warrant and related court documents had to be sealed as he was such a threat. But the deceased's wife attorney said nothing was seized. And in case you were wondering, no arrests were made from the supposed other houses that were raided.


The swat says they banged on the door for a crazy amount of time, you know, 45 seconds.

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45 seconds of banging on a door seems to go really fast.

Maybe it's because I'm from Flint, but I don't pay attention to sirens in my neighborhood.

The cops then say that the deceased says "I've got something for you. I've got something for you." It makes perfect sense to kick in a door when you think the suspect is locked and loaded and pointing the gun at the door.
Never use CS first, unless you have a tin foil hat on, 'cause that's crazy talk.

After not bothering to secure the area they supposedly sent in a robot to see if he was dead.
This statement has horseshit written all over it. They don't use CS gas first for safety, but they are willing to use a robot after clearing their mags because it might be unsafe.

He, Attorney Michael Storie, who is the toilet defending the SWAT, said officers could not conclude Guerena was incapacitated because he fell into a room after he was shot and officers could not see him from the doorway.
Yeah, OK.

Based on a photograph of a large bloodstain inside the home, Scileppi said, Guerena fell down in clear view of the front door and officers could see him.

If SWAT members had been let into the home, those inside "probably ... wouldn't have been arrested," Storie said.
What comfort.

A portrait of Jesus Malverde, believed to be a "narco saint," was found under Guerena's bed, Storie said.
Apparantly pictures are now possible felonies.

According to Storie, several days before the shooting undercover officers in an unmarked car drove by Guerena's home to do surveillance, and 10 minutes after they drove by, they were alerted that their license plate had been run through the Motor Vehicle Division by someone they say followed the unmarked vehicle from Guerena's home. That was considered countersurveillance on law enforcement, Storie said.
Yes, he was using his l33t skills on the interwebs.
Better get a poncho because the horseshit is falling kinda thick here.



Scileppi said it took two weeks for "the fourth version of the story" and these details to emerge because "they needed to put a story out that is going to protect them."


Bottom line: An INNOCENTman was murdered in his home. Lies built on lies will not stand. People need to be indicted on the police force for their actions of preposterous stupidity or intentional malfeasance.

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