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I know exactly what I'm implying. You're not aware of what training I've had. I'm not even sure what your point is. But of course the cop had motive. Stopping the attack is a motive. And if he did shoot for the body the first 5 or 6 shots and the attacker continued seemingly unfazed I'm sure he changed his target area to the kill zone. Probably not for the head but center mass. And if Brown put his head down to charge that would explain the head shot to the top. I was considering his training in my post. And considering the events I'm positive the officer was attempting to stop the threat. I never meant he was trying to kill him, it's not something you think about during the event. But make no mistake, a lot can go through your mind in those few seconds. Like going from thinking I need to stop him. Too I'm going to stop him.
Niknik, I was responding to clndstn46, not you. You might have "training", but perhaps you should read a bit more carefully before you mount your high-horse. If you do not understand the concepts I espoused (or perhaps, failed to read them), then I'm not sure I can effectually-grasp your training level.

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As is jesse jackson. They only go to stir up trouble and never apologize when wrong.

The NC LaCrosse team, for example, and sharpton knew tawanna brawley had lied before.
What the media failed to mention was that the citizens of Ferguson ran Jesse Jackson out. After his speech... Saturday I believe it was, they began booing him when he started asking for money "for the church" he was with.

Even if he meant a local church, he's known to have agreements in which he keeps a percentage of what is given in donations to any church he "represents". I was watching the live feed and laughing my ass off. Unfortunately, media refused to report it entirely.

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What the media failed to mention was that the citizens of Ferguson ran Jesse Jackson out. After his speech... Saturday I believe it was, they began booing him when he started asking for money "for the church" he was with.

Even if he meant a local church, he's known to have agreements in which he keeps a percentage of what is given in donations to any church he "represents". I was watching the live feed and laughing my ass off. Unfortunately, media refused to report it entirely.
Jessie in the black community is well exposed as just a money hungry hoot, that could careless what happens to the communities he rallies.

Al sharpton is the voice to have concern over. He at the moment don't need money. And now with a spot on the liberal media has more of an influence to spread his pooh.

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No. Not necessarily.

It all depends on where the bullets struck, what they had to penetrate and how far they had to penetrate to leave the body.

This felony attacker was huge and you won't see as many through and through wounds someone this size as you would an Asian of 110 lbs.



"Because each jhp bullet does more damage"

Uh...you just made that up.

A JHP will only...sometimes...under the right circumstances...do more damage.

Most of the time, they behave essentially the same as FMJ rounds.

Hollow points only do more damage if they expand which they usually do not.

Hollow points can expand. It's nowhere near a certainty that they will expand in a human body in a real world shooting situation.


Hollow points are NOT Magic Bullets.

They do NOT possess any Magic Properties.
I wouldn't say they usually do not. Plus since they expand when they hit the body the full force of the bullets energy is felt by its target. Rather than a bullet that passes through . It always causes more damage if the bullet stays in rather than passing through.

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I think it matters on the quality of the ammunition. It's no different than anything else, the better quality product will perform better. Not to mention if a bullet stays lodged in the body it must be removed. Which causes even more damage.

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I wouldn't say they usually do not. Plus since they expand when they hit the body the full force of the bullets energy is felt by its target. Rather than a bullet that passes through . It always causes more damage if the bullet stays in rather than passing through.


It doesn't matter what "you say".

They DO NOT usually expand.

Also, the "always causes more damage" opinion is nonsense.

Damage is not limited by whether or not a bullet wound is a through and through or not.

There are a lot of variables in play.

You can be hit several times by rounds that stay in the body and live.

You can be killed by one that nicks an artery on a 1" through and through. Such as a nicked Carotid Artery in a through and through neck wound.



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I think it matters on the quality of the ammunition. It's no different than anything else, the better quality product will perform better. Not to mention if a bullet stays lodged in the body it must be removed. Which causes even more damage.

It doesn't matter what "you think".

It's not really a question of ammunition quality.

That's just another thing you made up.


What it boils down to is BULLET PLACEMENT.

That determines the damage done and whether a JHP will expand or NOT.

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Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown.

Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”

According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.

The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.

A spokesman for the St. Louis County Police Department, citing the ongoing investigation, declined late Wednesday to say whether Wilson required medical treatment following the altercation.

Edward Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCullough, said the office will not disclose the nature of the evidence it will reveal to a grand jury.

"We'll present every piece of evidence we have, witness statements, et cetera, to the grand jury, and we do not release any evidence or talk about evidence on the case."

Nabil Khattar, CEO of 7Star Industries – which specializes in firearms training for law enforcement and special operations personnel – confirmed that police are typically instructed to use deadly force if in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury.

“You may engage a threat with enough force that is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger,” he said.

Wilson is a six-year veteran of the Ferguson police force department, and has no prior disciplinary infringements.

Massive protests have since taken over the St. Louis community, prompting Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last Thursday to place Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson at the helm of security operations in an effort to calm ongoing tensions. The federal government is also investigating the death, and Attorney General Eric Holder has taken the lead – calling “the selective release of sensitive information” in the case “troubling.”

On Friday, Ferguson police released surveillance video showing Brown stealing cigars from a convenience store just before his death. Jackson came under intense criticism for disclosing the tape and a related police report as he also insisted that the alleged robbery and the encounter with Wilson were unrelated matters. Brown’s family, through their attorney, suggested the tape’s release was a strategic form of “character assassination.”

However, FoxNews.com’s source insisted that there was absolutely no spin agenda behind the tape’s release and that there were a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) media requests filed by media outlets seeking it. Tom Jackson is said to have waited on publicly releasing it, and did not want it shown until Brown’s grieving mother first had the chance to see it.

“He defied the FOIAs as long as he could,” noted the insider. “A powerful, ugly spin has completely ruined public discourse on this whole situation.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20...n-says-source/

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Jessie in the black community is well exposed as just a money hungry hoot, that could careless what happens to the communities he rallies.
His son is just as big a fraud, if not more.


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They just had a breaking news - said the officer did not suffer orbital eye damage, just a swollen face.

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