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Re: Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution

Time to think about the Guillotine?
Personally I'm divided over the question of the death penalty. But if it's going to be then don't beat around the bush. Get it done and get it done right.

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Re: Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution

Fuckin' Percy from The Green Mile strikes again.

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Re: Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution

"A four-time felon, Lockett was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing."

No sympathy for him, as he had none for Stephanie.

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Re: Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution

Good they both should die painful and miserable. You don't take someone's life and assume yours will be in good hands??

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I've been against death penalty for 30 years or so, then I've drastically changed my mind: it's true, we cannot rehabilitate a person by killing him or her, but IF the would-be criminals knew FOR SURE that they'd be put to death if they'd kill someone, then many of them would be MUCH less inclined to commit murder: honestly i respect everybody's opinion on this, but what i know for sure is that many countries are going towards the WRONG direction, it's simply UNACCEPTABLE that people like Breivik are not only still alive, but even allowed to complain about cold coffee and shit like that after killing 77 people, mostly teenagers, living on the shoulders of taxpayers, maybe even having fun, sometimes.
The relatives of the victims' grief begins with the murder, and sometimes it stops with the execution of the murderer/s. That's enough for me to accept and understand capital punishment. Ted Bundy did NOT fear life in prison, but he was afraid of death.

However, the 5 legal methods of execution in the US are intended to be as painless as possible, so this time something has gone definitely wrong.
yet, that fear of death didnt stop him from killing 30+ women...

i dont think that there is any evidence to support the notion that the death penalty works as a deterrent to violent crime or murders. most murders kill for one of three reason: passion, profit, or compulsion. if capital punishment worked as a deterrent, these kinds of crimes wouldnt happen. does a scorned lover like of the death sentence prior to killing their ex? does it enter a contract killers mind before he accepts the job? does it control a compulsive killers compulsions? i would argue no, that no evidence suggests this.

this means, as far as i can tell, that the death sentence is used as a form of retribution. that is to say that the state is in the business of providing revenge killings for victims. i dont feel that this is the government's place. we dont, as a society, condone the idea of revenge killing.... it would be immoral for us to arrange for murder victim's families to have a chance to murder the person that took their loved ones... making the state do it (with tax payer dollars, i might add) is just as immoral.

dangerous criminals deserve to be caged like animals and fed shit quality food for the rest of their natural life... and maybe they do honestly deserve to die (though, im not one to make that call) ... but granting the state the permission and the power to take a life as punishment (imho) is nonsense.

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Time to think about the Guillotine?
Personally I'm divided over the question of the death penalty. But if it's going to be then don't beat around the bush. Get it done and get it done right.
then you get issues with lucid decapitation.... that would be horrifying...

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I agree, but i would rather see a thousand guilty men walk that an innocent man fry....... and knowing these fuckers are in 23 hours a day in a cage gives me much more un-guilty pleasure
exactly!! the day the feds killed their first innocent man, we all became murderers.

being caged for 23 hours a day is horrendous. it's something i dont think most people could handle for very long without going nearly insane... this is a much more fitting punishment for violent criminals and doesnt require us as a society going against our morals and allowing state sponsored revenge killings.

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Re: Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution

Should have fed him to a hog alive.

Let the hog feed on him for a week or so while he dies slowly in agony.

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Re: Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution

FUCK that, Kanda! FUCKING FUCK that! I adore you but I do NOT agree with you.

Firing squad. Just do it.

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