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For the retesting by other scientists they would need another collider and that would need different gauges.

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Has to be mistake somewhere. No way anything can travel faster than the speed of light. To even achieve the speed of light, a particle would have to assume infinite mass--in other words, infinite energy to even accelerate to that speed. Where are all these infinite somethings coming from? Definitely human error.
So you think...

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Re: Neutrinos Exceed the Speed of Light !

Relativity was a theory - not 100% proven fact as this interesting article proves

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Re: Neutrinos Exceed the Speed of Light !

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Looks like maybe CERN didn't break the speed of light in neutrino experiments last year:

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A neutrino beam may not have traveled faster than the speed of light as a measurement flaw was identified, undermining an announcement late last year, according to the institute in charge of the research project.

The European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, said in September a neutrino beam was measured as traveling faster than the speed of light, appearing to break the limit set by Albert Einstein in 1905. That finding may have been flawed because of a technical malfunction in timing instruments, CERN said today in an e-mailed statement.

“If this is the case, it could have led to an underestimate of the time of flight of the neutrinos,” Geneva- based CERN said. “New measurements with short pulsed beams are scheduled for May.”

Neutrinos, subatomic particles fired from CERN’s Geneva base to a laboratory 730 kilometers (450 miles) away in Gran Sasso, Italy, were clocked at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light, the organization said in September.

“To me as a theoretician, it screams systemic error,” Roberto Trotta, an astrophysicist at Imperial College, London, said at the time.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...cern-says.html

Two Technical Problems Leave Neutrinos’ Speed in Question
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Remember those faster-than-light neutrinos that supposedly defied Einstein’s speed limit? Never mind — or rather, maybe.
Last September, CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, based outside Geneva, announced a finding that, if true, would throw a large monkey wrench into physics as we know it. Ghostly subatomic particles known as neutrinos that were generated at CERN and beamed through the earth 453 miles to a detector in Italy appeared to be arriving at their destination about 60 billionths of a second faster than a particle of light would.

In a detailed scrutiny of the experiment, CERN, which runs a particle-smashing machine called the Large Hadron Collider, found two problems with its equipment that could have affected its measurements.

One is an electronic component that marked the exact times for GPS measurements. (The experiment requires such precise measurements of time and distance that even continental drift is taken into account.) The component was “clearly out of its specifications,” said Dario Autiero, a physicist who is the spokesman for the experiment.

However, that error would have sped up the neutrinos even more.

The second potential error is in the fiber-optic cabling that carried the GPS data five miles to the underground detector. The investigation discovered that for dimmer light pulses, the circuit receiving the data introduced delay — up to 60 billionths of a second — that could bring the neutrinos’ speed back under the speed of light. The circuit has now been fixed.

The journal Science reported the potential fraying of the experiment’s conclusions — which many physicists had found hard to believe in the first place — on its Web site on Wednesday.

But Dr. Autiero said the issues it identified did not conclusively prove or disprove the findings. “We are not sure of the state of this connection in the past,” he said.

A new round of neutrino firings will begin in late March, and if the cable issue is at fault, the answer will be resolved shortly afterward.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/sc...cern-says.html

CERN Confirms Flaw in Speed of Light Test

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Re: Neutrinos Exceed the Speed of Light !

Shit I could have told you that.... Theory of Relativity is only sound for particles and the such with extrinsic mass. Sub atomic particles follow different rules and therefore won't abide by that Theory. I think scientists have known or speculated this for years ... yet they are only coming out of the closet as the result of some "15,000" experiments with a vast amount of supportive data. Independent tests are great except who would fork out billions of dollars just to prove some silly point that really isn't going to change our lives; hence they have better things to prove.

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