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Old 08-09-2013, 07:02 AM
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Islam is Way More English Than the EDL

Found this to be a interesting article

Whither the articulate nutters? Yesterday I got into a Twitter spat with the EDL's Tommy Robinson (isn't Twitter fun? Please don't ban it, Caitlin) and I'm not very impressed. He was angry with a piece I wrote about him linking to an anti-Semitic website, and this cued an evening of tweets accusing me of not understanding the plight of Luton and how I obviously hate the English working class. It's all predictable stuff, but the latter point does interest me. I've often suspected that the EDL's grip on the popular imagination comes from its claim to represent what remains of the native proletariat – and a lot of middle class folks in the media think that maybe they do, which is why they invite Tommy onto TV shows to share his toilet wall history of Islam with the nation. But they're wrong. The EDL's definition of what constitutes the English working class is a classic case of projection.

To take the "working class" tag, never mind that Tommy owns his own business and so is technically petit-bourgeois – making him officially entitled to buy a cream and gold bathroom. The EDL also overlooks a long history of working class progressiveness summed up in three words: the Labour movement. Yes, the contemporary Left is dominated by middle-class wets who dislike many of the people they claim to represent – but this wasn't always the way. The 100,000 protesters who turned out in 1936 to humiliate Oswald Mosley's fascists at the Battle of Cable Street were overwhelmingly working class, and many voted to elect the Jewish Phil Piratin as a communist MP for Mile End in defiance of anti-Semitism. Mosley's blackshirts frequently ran in working class constituencies and always got hammered. They failed to present a populist alternative to the Labour Party because the working class was uninterested in their brand of racist radicalism. In short, while there certainly is a protectionist tradition within England's working class – fueled by the fact that they're the ones who suffer first and suffer the most when the country's borders are opened to cheap labour – this country lacks a fascist tradition because it runs counter to our homegrown culture.

Which brings me to the more contentious bit of the EDL's identity: its claim to represent "the English". The problem with this claim is that a hundred people will come up with a hundred ways of defining Englishness, and each with disagree violently with the other. To quote George Bernard Shaw: "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him." This is a good thing by the way. Nations that are solidly cohesive can turn exclusivist and nasty; there's something of the Vichy about France's recent treatment of its Muslims and Roma.
So while football hooliganism, covering your car in St George's flags, wearing balaclavas and spending time in prison is one definition of Englishness, others do exist. The one I prefer is a little more "liberal", in the 19th century meaning of that word. Its the Englishness that was fascinated by the Orient, the Englishness that saw Christians turn native in North Africa and India and lovingly translate the Koran and the tales of Arabian Nights for the mass market back home. Queen Victoria spent some of her last years harbouring a crush on her Muslim servant, Abdul Karim (a relationship the dear old Daily Mail calls "shockingly intimate"). It's an Englishness rooted in laws and values rather than race. Crucially, it flowered in the 1800s because that's when we had a lot more self-confidence as a nation: someone who is secure in their identity is at ease with exploring the imaginations of others. Today our meetings with foreign cultures are awkward precisely because we lack a solid sense of who we are. A lot of the fear shown towards Islam comes from the death of the Christian soul – we see a people who actually believe in something and we are intimidated.
By contrast, most Muslims cling on to values that were once definitively English and that we could do with rediscovering. Islam instructs its followers to cherish their families, to venerate women, to treat strangers kindly, to obey the law of any country they are in (yes, yes, it really does), and to give generously. One recent poll found that British Muslims donate more money to charity than any other religious group. Much is written about the need for Muslims to integrate better into English society, although I'm sure 99 per cent of them already do. But I hope they retain as much of their religious identity as possible – it is vastly superior to the materialist, secular mess that they're being compelled to become a part of.

I'm not one of those New Labour metropolitan types who wants to create a rainbow nation of hippies – I'm a cultural conservative, a Catholic chauvinist and a defender of everything worth venerating. But its precisely because I'm a traditionalist that I look at Islam and see much to admire – ordered, sensitive to the sacred, civilised – and then look at the British far Right and see much to loathe – ignorant about history, invariably irreligious, law-breaking, lacking in charity. Of course, I'll be labelled a snob for writing all of this. So, to reassure the critics, I rang up my father – the most working class Englishman I know – and asked him what he thought of the EDL. "Idiots", he said.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...-than-the-edl/

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Complete and utter bollox. Disguisting article.

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Hey OP, what do you think of this article?

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I am unsure as to how you can claim that a religion that has next to no history in the country is more English than a bloody frenchman let alone a mad as a hatter Brit, most of us are mad its what makes us British (or if you prefer to narrow the demographics down a bit, English).


I would like to ask you this have you like myself seen Islam at work first hand in its natvie countries? It bears absolutely fuck all in similar to any form of "Englishness", "Britishness" or anything similar to any country that has progressed beyond the status of villifying and bullying people into obeying that particular way of thinking.

Think I am kidding? I have witnessed the aftermath of many executions including but not limited to people not praying at the set times each day/ for not handing enough money over to the mosque, for daring to show a sign of hope and it goes on.....we collected over 200 Muslim bodies of people murdered for transgressions almost all supported by the local Immans.

I have picked up over 20 female bodies from roadsides with either bullet holes administered to the back of the head (if they are lucky) or not (unlucky) as they have been thrown from the back of speeding vehicles for various hideous crimes ranging from the unknown to exposing hair, argueing with a male (usually a husbands brother or such like) or for comitting a henious crime as showing free will or inadvertantly upsetting a male somewhere in the community.

I have seen a man have both his hands cut off why? For theft? No, for selling phone cards for mobile phones that had printed in Germany on them. When a big protest was called for outside Iraqna Mobile Offices (where the double amputation was carried out) they where informed the cards had always been printed in Germany just some of them never had that printed on them IN ENGLISH but it had always been on them in Arabic. The country had no way of producing the cards securely in country so it had to be sourced out.

I hava witnessed the aftermath and helped cut down 6 men who where accussed (not proven to be) of being homosexual.....who said they where? The "cured" former homosexual son of a high up official who was forgiven his transgressions for renouncing his error in sexuality and handing over the men we cut down. Who had incidently been hung about 6-8 inches from the ground so no drop to snap the neck just lots of jiggling and choking to please the jeering crowd

Don't tell me that is closer to Englishness than a fuckin crackpot that no-one really takes seriously and who organises a few poorly supported rallies.

If you don't like his brand of politics IGNORE him dont fuel his anger fuelled radicalism you muppet.

If your that passionate about it, go over and join them in their natve lands.....see how long you can walk the streets for in your western clothes......Out.

EDIT Oh yeah there was the man who was ordered to have 1000 lashes to his feet and 1000 to his torso given 100 at a time to each.....why? Because, he had volunteered to help remove the western carboard insert from some ladies stockings. You know the kind one straight leg and one bent showing the stocking clad legs and he didnt burn them all he kept one and was found with it. He was over 70 years old ffs and died before his second set of punishments where administered from heart failure due to pain. We collected his body as his family where too scared to and out Iman carried out his last rights etc and we buried him in the hidden location that all our lost souls where buried.

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And before a certain someone rattles my fucking cage, try telling me its not true and then try telling me you would still be alive if you lived there and where known to be visiting this site. I dont do anal......

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