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Re: FEDS Issue Warning About “imminent Terrorist Attack” on United States

When a group says they want nothing to do but completely wipe all western society off the map.. Thats threat enough, i don't need the feds, the US government, or even my favorite taco shop to tell me of the warnings.


Just I also know the restrictions they must consider before telling the rest of the americans, oh btw, another group of terrorist is here to kill us.

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So, its a legitimate threat because.....isis exists?
Short answer? Yes.

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Not only is that silly but still, remember, no evidence or compelling reason to be alarmed has yet been presented.
Actually, the real reason to be alarmed is the fact that our government is aware of the potential dangers of an unsecured border coupled with a highly motivated and fanatical enemy; yet still not only refuses to do nothing of substance to secure said border, but actually seems to be pushing legislation and executive orders which amount to an open invitation for anyone to flood across said unsecured border.

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I'm not arguing that the US government should or would tell us if they thought an attack was imminent....just that the claim that 'the feds claim there is a threat' has no evidence to support it. I'm not saying that complacency is a good thing, however, panicking because of a nonexistent threat is just as ridiculous.
There is indeed a threat in the general sense; there's just no concrete intelligence yet made public indicating that a specific attack on a specific target within a specific time frame executed via specific means is forthcoming. It's all about semantics and specific criteria being fulfilled.

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No credible threat we're aware of. I don't think we should be sounding a alarm as you say. But shouldn't we take measures to secure our country? The world right now is a very dangerous place. With this ruthless terrorist group threatening us. China spying on our every move. Russia sending bomber and surveillance planes just miles from our coast. The ticking time bomb in Iran and in Israel. There's literally no reason to believe we won't be a target.
A terrorist attack is as simple as 5 people making it through our border. Getting hand guns or worse assault rifles, showing up in 5 different nfl parking lots or school parking lots and shooting until they're killed. Just one person could cause panic. Imagine if they got 20.
I think that is a highly likely scenario. People who are willing to die and have the numbers and money are extremely dangerous. To think a ocean is going to protect us is silly.
again, im not saying to be complacent. im saying that arbitrary claims based on hypothetical terror attacks and fear mongering based on no credible evidence (yes, that we know of) is in no way conducive to a positive dialogue on the topic.

as an example, let's say i were to make the claim that 'NOAA says the ice caps melting and flooding of the world in the near future is imminent'....now, NOAA hasnt said that (that im aware of) and they would likely deny any claims that the world is in 'imminent' danger of 'flooding' in the near future. would it be fair for me to say 'well... it's not a threat now, as far as we know, but that doesnt mean we souldnt take active steps to stop them from melting and potentially flooding the earth in the future'? you would say that was what kind of tactic? a nonsense one based on no substantial data and one based on based on a un-cited, not credible claim that appears to counter what NOAA is actually saying. explain to me why an argument based on no evidence is credible, please.

border security is an issue that needs to be honestly talked about. that cant happen if unsupported claims and scare tactics are used as evidence.

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Seems that all of a sudden, caring about the border's security, would raise some unwanted attention.

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Short answer? Yes.

you honestly feel that the US border with mexico is at risk of attack by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria? based on what evidence? i understand and agree with the claim that the US border is vulnerable to attack but there is nothing to suggest that there is an imminent risk of an attack by ISIS specifically. the same claim could be said about any terror group and would be equally as true and unfounded.

Actually, the real reason to be alarmed is the fact that our government is aware of the potential dangers of an unsecured border coupled with a highly motivated and fanatical enemy; yet still not only refuses to do nothing of substance to secure said border, but actually seems to be pushing legislation and executive orders which amount to an open invitation for anyone to flood across said unsecured border.

even if that were to be the case (and im not saying it is or isnt) using unsupported, sensationalist nonsense doesnt do any good in the effort to secure or protect the border.

There is indeed a threat in the general sense; there's just no concrete intelligence yet made public indicating that a specific attack on a specific target within a specific time frame executed via specific means is forthcoming. It's all about semantics and specific criteria being fulfilled.

yes. these specific criteria are known as journalistic integrity. you know... making sure that only credible stories are submitted and not unsupported gossip from anonymous sources.

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No credible threat we're aware of. I don't think we should be sounding a alarm as you say. But shouldn't we take measures to secure our country? The world right now is a very dangerous place. With this ruthless terrorist group threatening us. China spying on our every move. Russia sending bomber and surveillance planes just miles from our coast. The ticking time bomb in Iran and in Israel. There's literally no reason to believe we won't be a target.
A terrorist attack is as simple as 5 people making it through our border. Getting hand guns or worse assault rifles, showing up in 5 different nfl parking lots or school parking lots and shooting until they're killed. Just one person could cause panic. Imagine if they got 20.
I think that is a highly likely scenario. People who are willing to die and have the numbers and money are extremely dangerous. To think a ocean is going to protect us is silly.
Its the world that we live in

In a place with millions of undocumented illegal aliens, many of which have very limited education, what stops a trained terrorist from crossing the same borders

The war on terror isn't winnable. There's always going to be the guy that got lucky, gets through all the security checks, and kills innocent people.
We've already spent hundreds of billions on added security since 9'11, and there's still gaping holes in security........ The worst case scenario is there's another attack, and we lose all of our civil liberties in the name of security....... Look at how much we've lost due to 9'11, the Patriot Act, the NSA etc etc........ I'm almost more scared of how our Governments will react to another terror attack, than the attack itself.

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Your communist media is trying to ignite the powder keg.

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you honestly feel that the US border with mexico is at risk of attack by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria? based on what evidence? i understand and agree with the claim that the US border is vulnerable to attack but there is nothing to suggest that there is an imminent risk of an attack by ISIS specifically. the same claim could be said about any terror group and would be equally as true and unfounded.
No, I know that the U.S./Mexico border is porous enough to allow fanatical elements relatively easy entrance into the U.S., and the current rate at which northbound immigrants are crossing that border provides a good cover of individuals with which to blend in. When Border Patrol is dealing with a high rate of immigrants and amnesty and safe passage of varying degrees are being promised by our government, then how exactly should any agency be expected to distinguish one immigrant from another? There's no way to check identities or nationalities, so just because they're heading north ostensibly from Central or South America does not necessarily mean that either of those regions is their point of initial origin. The border would be the least of their concerns, but it would be an easy line to cross on their way to their primary targets in larger and more densely populated areas.

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even if that were to be the case (and im not saying it is or isnt) using unsupported, sensationalist nonsense doesnt do any good in the effort to secure or protect the border.
While I'm not vouching for the article in the OP of this thread, it's not as if one need believe it above any credible sources of information to get an accurate picture of just how open the southern border is right now. Under the current yet still unofficial federal guidelines, all it takes for a few sleeper cells to bypass watch lists and no-fly lists is a few kids dropped off at the border and some forged papers and identification.

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yes. these specific criteria are known as journalistic integrity. you know... making sure that only credible stories are submitted and not unsupported gossip from anonymous sources.
I wasn't talking about the media; I was talking about federal intelligence agencies. They all have certain criteria that must be met before they'll even consider issuing a warning to the public. And unfortunately, as with all federal bureaucracies, those agencies are run by individuals who are subject to administrative and political pressures which have at least some degree of bearing on whether or not certain statements are made or certain information is made available. Such pressures often and with increasing regularity as of late outweigh the interests of public safety and national security.

It was for months ahead of time painfully obvious to many of us rank-and-file citizens that an organization such as ISIS was primed to flood into Iraq the second our troops were pulled out of there; yet the mainstream media -- "credible" sources, some would say -- had nothing to say on the subject until ISIS started "beheading its way to Baghdad." Our "elected leaders" had similarly little to say in public, and what they did have to say was grossly and consistently out of touch with reality until such point at which said reality became far too obvious to ignore, gloss over, downplay, misjudge, or conceal.

And really, Kanda, who in their right mind in modern-day America would consider "journalistic integrity" to be within the purview of the most widely-heard media outlets? They can't even get the facts straight or restrain themselves from wild and idle speculation when a white cop shoots a black thug in broad daylight, so it's a sucker's bet that they'd be capable of cracking the code regarding things such as the intelligence community or international jihad.

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The boarder? You fools, the terrorist are already here.

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The boarder? You fools, the terrorist are already here.
I'm not surprised by that.

After all, you seemed to make it across just fine.

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