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How does it do this? not arguing with you, just intrested to know.
The planned flight duration was 5 hours, 34 minutes, which would consume an estimated 37,200 kg (82,000 lb) of jet A-1 fuel. The aircraft carried 49,100 kilograms (108,200 lb) of jet fuel, including reserves, which allowed an endurance of 7 hours, 31 minutes.The extra fuel was enough to divert to alternate airports—Jinan Yaoqiang International Airport and Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport—which would require 4,800 kg (10,600 lb) or 10,700 kg (23,600 lb), respectively, to reach from Beijing.

I think the time between its take off and the last voice contact with MH370 was around 30mins.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays...nes_Flight_370

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pretty sure there will be many more pieces of wreckage and luggage, maybe even bodies washing up in the same area and on the eastern african coast in the coming months...... currents tend to work like that..
I still don't believe any bodies will be found after 500 days in that turbulent ocean..Decomposition and predators will have put an end to that hope...Clothing is a possibility.


I was wondering about the baggage and if it could be related to the flight...There's a rumour that it has burn marks on it so that may be due to an on board fire before it hit the ocean...Remember the fire extinguisher that was found a few days after it disappeared, I wonder now if that was related too after being dismissed. I can't remember where it turned up.

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The planned flight duration was 5 hours, 34 minutes, which would consume an estimated 37,200 kg (82,000 lb) of jet A-1 fuel. The aircraft carried 49,100 kilograms (108,200 lb) of jet fuel, including reserves, which allowed an endurance of 7 hours, 31 minutes.The extra fuel was enough to divert to alternate airports—Jinan Yaoqiang International Airport and Hangzhou Xiaoshan International Airport—which would require 4,800 kg (10,600 lb) or 10,700 kg (23,600 lb), respectively, to reach from Beijing.

I think the time between its take off and the last voice contact with MH370 was around 30mins.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays...nes_Flight_370
but thats the thing. I dont know what flight path this plane was due to take, however flight routes dont always seem logical on a map but end up being so. on long flights you can, with the greatest of ease go 'the wrong way' after take off in your mind.

this was predicted as a likely wash up point. I failed geography and dont surf, I am not 'in the know' about currents ect. I would imagine a few hour flying the opossite direction would have ended with the things being washed up sooner. Again Im not in the know.

this plane did leave its planned route IMO but I am not so convinced that it was going for 7hours

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I think the satellite 'handshakes' proved it did

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MH370: ''Plane seat'' found washed up on Reunion Island three months ago...

Nicolas Ferrier says he came across the blue plane seat three months ago, but thought nothing of it at the time .

Nicolas Ferrier barely gave the blue seat a second glance. As he carried out his daily patrol of the wild shores of Reunion, picking up debris from the jet black sands and giant boulders, it seemed to him like just another piece of rubbish – a bus seat, perhaps, or a hang glider’s chair.

“It wasn’t until Wednesday that it hit me what it could have been,” said Mr Ferrier, climbing off his BMX to speak to The Sunday Telegraph in the shade of a screwpine tree, overlooking the pounding surf. “It was probably part of that plane.”

Mr Ferrier spotted the seat in early May. And yesterday he told his story for the first time – up until now, no one but his wife has known about the find.


'Nicolas Ferrier, Beach cleaner at Saint Andre, Reunion'

It was, he explained, washed up on the mile-long stretch of coast which he monitors near Saint Andre, on the east of the Indian Ocean island. And last week the same stretch of coast was at the centre of the world’s attention, after what is believed to be part of a Boeing 777 wing was washed ashore. Given that the only such plane to have crashed in the Southern Hemisphere is MH370 – the ill-fated flight that vanished in mysterious circumstances in March 2014 – it seems, at last, that the riddle could have been solved.

An Australian-led search has spent 16 months combing the southern Indian Ocean for the aircraft, which is known to have inexplicably veered off-course from its designated route, from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

"This is the first positive sign that we have located part of that plane," said Julie Bishop, Australia's foreign minister.

On Saturday the suspected wing component arrived in Paris, having been flown from Reunion on an Air France flight on Friday night.

Malaysian and French experts will begin their analysis on Wednesday, along with an examination of parts of a suitcase discovered nearby.


'Items washed up on the beach where the piece of aircraft has been found (Paul Grover/The Telegraph)'

On Monday three French magistrates as well as a Malaysian legal representative and an official from France's civil aviation investigating authority will begin meeting, behind closed doors, in Paris.

“I believe that we are moving closer to solving the mystery of MH370,” said Abdul Aziz Kaprawi, Malaysia's deputy transport minister. “This could be the convincing evidence that MH370 went down in the Indian Ocean.”

Yet Mr Ferrier had no idea of the significance of the object. Flotsam and jetsam washed up are part of his everyday life on the inhospitable beach, where nobody dares to enter the fierce waves and shark-infested waters.

“I found a couple of suitcases too, around the same time, full of things,” he said, almost in passing.

What did you do with them?

“I burnt them,” he said, pointing to the pile of ashes lying on the boulders. “That’s my job. I collect rubbish, and burn it.

“I could have found many things that belonged to the plane, and burnt them, without realising.”


'Nicolas Ferrier on the beach where the piece of aircraft has been found (Paul Grover/The Telegraph)'

He also saw the wing which washed up on Wednesday – although in May, the barnacles encrusting its side were still alive. By the time it washed ashore again this week, the crustaceans were dead.

“Like the seat, I didn’t know what it was.

“I sat on it. I was fishing for macabi (bonefish) and used it as a table. I really didn’t pay it much attention – until I saw it on the news.”

His story is backed up by that of another local woman, named only as Isabelle, who spotted the same object while walking on the beach in May, accompanied by her 10-year-old son.

"It was the beginning of the holidays - around May 10," she told local news website Zinfos974.com.

"I was walking with my son, Krishna. Then from a rock on which we were standing, he saw an object and shouted: 'Mum, that looks like the wing of a plane!'"

Krishna then jumped on what looked like a suitcase. He managed to prise it open, and then spotted another suitcase buried in the black sand.

But the waves were gathering height and so Isabelle ordered her son off the beach. They went home, and thought nothing of it until Wednesday.

Mr Ferrier has not told his tale until now because he has been in hospital for several days; yesterday (SAT) was his first day back at his home, 300 yards from the beach.


'French gendarmes work on a oversized crate, believed to contain plane wreckage, in the cargo area of the airport in Saint-Denis (AP)'

Why didn’t he report the seat and suitcases at the time?

“I work alone, so didn’t have anyone to consult about it – unlike the others,” he said, referring to the team of beach cleaners led by Johnny Begue, who found the wing on Wednesday.

And the testimony of Mr Ferrier and Isabelle raises the question that hundreds of items could have been washing up on Reunion for the past few months, with no one paying any attention.

“Even now I can’t quite understand it. For me, it was something totally normal – I see it all the time. I can’t really say if it was the first time or the last time I saw bits like that, because I never pay attention.

“From now on I will look more closely.”

Has he found any other interesting or unusual objects?

“Maybe,” he said. “But I wouldn’t know. I just throw them on the fire.”

He doesn’t listen to the radio or watch television, he said, and was unaware of the furore.

“Malaysia Airlines is a bit like bin Laden,” he chuckled, his thickly-accented French mixed with Creole. “No one had ever heard of it – then suddenly we talk about nothing else.”

And for Mr Ferrier and other islanders, the global spotlight has taken them aback.

Reunion, a sleepy volcanic outcrop 400 miles east of Madagascar, is unused to this attention. The 850,000 inhabitants live from agriculture - sugar cane plantations carpet over half the agricultural land on this 40-mile long island - and from tourism. Yet tourism has taken a battering following a wave of shark attacks: since 2011, there have been seven fatalities, with the most recent the death of a 13-year-old surfer in April. A man lost his arm in an attack a fortnight ago.

More here with video: Daily Telegraph

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MH370 search: 'Second plane part' found on Reunion.



A second piece of suspected plane debris has washed ashore on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion, after a wing part suspected to come from the missing flight MH370 was found on Wednesday.

The object, believed to be the door of an aircraft, was discovered just south of the city of St Denis.

It is said to have writing on it and possibly some illustration.

The Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing disappeared last March with 239 people on board.

Malaysia's transport ministry says it now wants to expand the search for more debris around Reunion.
Boeing 777

An Australian-led search effort for the plane has so far focused on a vast area of the southern Indian Ocean about 4,000km (2,500 miles) to the east of Reunion.

No physical trace of the aircraft has been found.

Simulation of where debris in search area could end up.




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Update: Turns out it wasn't a door, it was a domestic ladder

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this plane did leave its planned route IMO but I am not so convinced that it was going for 7hours
It's thanks to the engine monitoring system by RR, that we know for sure it continued to fly for hours; the system collects data using sensors placed in several parts of the engine, the data is collected by a unit which will send a feed to the satellite after the satellite sends an interrogation ping every x minutes: the last ping was received about seven hours after primary radars lost contact with the plane, which means that the engines were working all the time as several pings were sent and got a response, but since the monitoring system doesn't provide information about the position of the plane, they had to analyze the time between request and response, in order to establish the distance between the vertical of the satellite and the plane: but since they didn't even know whether it was heading towards north of south, they were able to draw two possible routes (the infamous two corridors):
the one to the north was quickly ruled out for some reasons (i.e. it was very unlikely to not get tracked by any of the primary radars in the area), so they focused on the southern corridor and according to the data sent by the system, they narrowed the search area roughly towards the half of southern corridor.
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Interestingly, probably the pilots didn't know about the existence of such system on the plane, as it has to do only with maintenance.

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^OK I have got my head around it thanks clubhouse and gatagato.

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MH370: Reunion debris is from missing plane..

Part of the aircraft wing found on Reunion island is from the missing MH370 plane, Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak has confirmed.

Mr Razak said international experts examining the debris in France had "conclusively confirmed" it was from the aircraft.

The Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 239 people veered off course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014.

The debris was examined at an aeronautical test centre near Toulouse.

It was found on the remote French Indian Ocean island of Reunion a week ago.

In a statement, Mr Razak said the "the burden and uncertainty faced by the families" in the 515 days since the aircraft disappeared had been "unspeakable".

"We now have physical evidence that flight MH370 tragically ended in the southern Indian Ocean," he added.


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Selected comments from The NYT....


"A few minutes before the news conference, Prime Minister Najib Razak of Malaysia went further, declaring that the object definitely came from the missing plane. A person involved in the investigation said, however, that experts from Boeing and the National Transportation Safety Board who have seen the object — a part of what is known as a flaperon — were not yet fully satisfied, and called for further analysis.

Their doubts were based on a modification to the flaperon part that did not appear to exactly match what they would expect from airline maintenance records, according to the person, who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and requested anonymity."






Boeing said in a statement that its technicians were assisting in the analysis of the part, but declined to comment on the results of the examination.

The person involved in the investigation said that no serial or other unique identifying number was found, making the job of conclusively identifying the object more complicated. The person also said that so far, no burn marks or other evidence of physical damage had been found that might provide any clues about the circumstances in which the plane went down.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/06...?referrer&_r=0

I think this is part of the problem bought about by the Malaysian governments persistent lack of cooperation in revealing its findings so far in the criminal investigation its carrying out.

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