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Re: Could Israel Abandon Jews to the Arabs' Mercies?

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Judaism is a religion..NOT an ethnicity.
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I don't understand what point you're making?

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I don't understand what point you're making?
It show's they are not of middleast descent, their claim to owning that land is a fraud.

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It show's they are not of middleast descent, their claim to owning that land is a fraud.
Oooh sorry I didn't realise you were aiming generally with that. Carry on, nothing to see here.

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Re: Could Israel Abandon Jews to the Arabs' Mercies?

Can a chinese guy who converts to judaism claim to be from that land

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How about an alien from mars converts to judaism does he have a claim to that land too?

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If you could convert to Martian does that mean you could claim Mars?

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Re: Could Israel Abandon Jews to the Arabs' Mercies?

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From what I gather (and I'm no history student) Israel was created from bits of Syria that my British ancestors decided to call Palestine and then decided to turn over to the Jews. That's the story I got from my grandfather who served in the middle east during the second world war...

...and a cursory glance of Wiki would seem to back that up.

So, ancient history to one side the land has a whole number of people making claims on it. All because my ancestors just had to fucking meddle.
Yep, pretty much..... It really wasn't so much a decision to give up the land as much as a necessity. What happened there is considered by many to be the first successful terrorist campaign, in order to drive out the British. The percentage of people living in that area 100 years ago that were Jewish was much, much lower than what it is today.
Using a part of South America as a Jewish homeland after WW2 was even discussed, and in hindsight probably would have worked out much better.
The only historical claim to ownership of the area going back 2k years is religious texts, the land had changed hands so many times throughout history its impossible to really say that one has more claim than another.

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Re: Could Israel Abandon Jews to the Arabs' Mercies?

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Judaism is a religion..NOT an ethnicity.
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Judaism is a religion. Being of Jewish ancestry is an ethnic group. You don't have to be a Jew to be Jewish. And you don't have to be Jewish to be a Jew. Also there are 12 other tribes who claim Israelite ancestry and many people are of several backgrounds.

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It show's they are not of middleast descent, their claim to owning that land is a fraud.
So now you are going to be all racist? Then what happened to those who do have a claim? The original Jewish people? And do you at the same time exclude those of Israelite descent?
And are you willing to exclude Arabs, Egyptions, Syrians, Iranians, Sudanese, and other ethnic groups?
And what of all the hundreds of thousands of Jews who are from the middle east? Who were expelled from the Muslim countries? Must they go back to the muslim countries from which they were expelled? Where their children were abducted and many of their relatives murdered, homes taken and synagogues burned? The Iraqi Jews? The Iranian Jews? The Tunisian Jews? The Yemenite Jews? And what of all the Ethiopian Jews who claim direct descendence from King David and have always kept the Torah? And what also of the Jews who never left and even have original synagogues and to this day use the ancient Aramaic Torah and still speak Aramaic? Where should they go? There are 57 Islamic nations and only one Jewish homeland. A muslim has a choice of 57 homelands.

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