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Circumcision Banned In Germany

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A ban on circumcision in Germany has shocked the nation's Jews and Muslims. The right of parents to make decisions for their children is now under the spotlight.

A court ruling in Germany effectively banning circumcision has united Jews and Muslims in anger - and they are backed by the country's main medical association.

Muslims have warned that the devout will take sons abroad to be circumcised.

Jews have pointed out that attacks on Jewish religious rituals have been an unfortunate part of European history since the Roman times, and say they are dismayed by the latest ban.

The ruling by the district court of Cologne says circumcision "for the purpose of religious upbringing constitutes a violation of physical integrity".

The judgement added: "The child's body is permanently and irreparably changed by the circumcision. This change conflicts with the child's interest of later being able to make his own decision on his religious affiliation."

The case stemmed from a circumcision on a four-year-old Muslim boy who had to be taken to hospital when complications developed. That, unusually, put the case into the legal system and the doctor was prosecuted.

As the charge put it, the doctor "physically mistreated another person and injured that person's health by means of a dangerous instrument".

In the end, he was cleared. The court decided that circumcision was illegal but that the doctor couldn't have been expected to have known this. It had been done for so long that it seemed legal when - according to the court - it wasn't.

Because the doctor was cleared, there will be no appeal to a higher court, which means the soundness of the rest of the judgement will not immediately be tested.

This puts the medical profession in a great dilemma. Dr Frank Montgomery, the president of the German Medical Association, told the BBC: "It leaves doctors in a legal quagmire. We are convinced that circumcision is best performed under medical conditions by physicians in a hospital.

"This is obviously no longer legally possible so therefore we have to advise our physicians not to perform these operations because they run the legal risk of being taken to court."

Already, the Jewish Hospital in Berlin, which has been performing ritual circumcisions for 250 years, has stopped. Its medical director, Professor Kristof Graf said: "We have had to stop planned surgeries in five cases already where they were scheduled for circumcision and the families were completely destroyed and upset about this."

Despite its name, the Jewish Hospital performs ritual circumcisions on Muslims as well as Jews, in fact more of the former than the latter, largely because there are many more Muslims in Germany than Jews.

The rules of ritual circumcision are different for each faith. For Jews, it has to be done on the eighth day after birth, but Muslims can wait longer.

So for Jews, the problem is more urgent. Circumcision is already performed by "mohels" - people designated as able to circumcise - but many prefer the safeguards which formal medical facilities provide.
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Re: Circumcision Banned In Germany

Not really sure how to respond to this.

I do agree that religious beliefs shouldn't be meddled with as long as they aren't truly harming masses of people who don't want it.

I also do acknowledge the risk of ritual body mutilation, and I completely believe it should be the individual's decision, not those around them. Not even a parent should have the right to change a child's physical body unless it's a life and death situation.

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Re: Circumcision Banned In Germany

women have to undergo infibulation/clitoridectomy but i never see that in the news or talked about. for whatever religious beliefs women are mutilated. makes me sick.

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Re: Circumcision Banned In Germany

I never saw an uncircumcised penis in person. They look creepy in pictures.

Well, it won't affect me because I'll be dead by the time the babies are old enough to be men :) No plans of visiting Germany either.

I do believe people should make their own decisions about their bodies.

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I'm 100% against circumcision but with that being said I don't think it should be banned. People are going to do this regardless so by taking this away people will resort to doing this at home. Which is unacceptable of course. I think people just need to be more educated about the subject. There's far too many misconceptions being touted as fact and that's detrimental to everyone.

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Re: Circumcision Banned In Germany

I am circumcised and proud of it.

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I am circumcised and proud of it.
That's good! I'm not being a bitch btw, I just know quite a few men who HATE the fact that they have been snipped. I feel that what happens to ones body should be their choice.

Rock on witcha circumsized member good sir!

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Re: Circumcision Banned In Germany

Interesting, although I don't agree. I certainly hope they would allow circumcision under certain circumstances as in medical conditions, in that particular area that would require it.

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Re: Circumcision Banned In Germany

I have known a few guys who should have been circumsized because the foreskin was either too tight or pulled the head painfully because of its attachment. Other than these medically sound reasons, I don't really feel one way or another about a penis that is or isnt cut. I do like to play with a penis more when the guy isn't clipped but I'm just immature that way.

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