Go Back  

Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime 

Current Rating:

Join NowJoin Now
 
  #31  
Old 06-19-2015, 09:48 AM
Illusion's Avatar
Illusion
Offline:
★ Server Supporter ★
Poster Rank:27
Join Date: Oct 2009
Contributions: 23
 
Mentioned: 196 Post(s)
Quoted: 10915 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
13/20 14/20
Today Posts
5/11 ssss25851
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime


Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Illusion For This Useful Post:
Azimuth, Metal Mike, rob666
  #32  
Old 06-19-2015, 11:08 AM
Metal Mike's Avatar
Metal Mike
Offline:
My Rank: MAJOR
Poster Rank:60
The Untrollable
Join Date: Jun 2013
 
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Quoted: 9256 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
0/20 7/20
Today Posts
0/11 ssss15388
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Gear View Post
So it's not crazy to kill a bunch of the God squad for being black?
Crazy is as crazy reasons. Roof may harbor feelings of great misanthropy and rage towards society and people in general, but that's only incidental to his actions in Charleston. His apparent motives as near as can be determined thus far were racial hatred and the calling of public attention to his beliefs; so it's not completely analogous to what motivated the likes of your typical "psycho" spree killers like Cho and Harris & Klebold in that simply murdering a group of people and then self-destructing was the means to as well as the ends of whatever it was that they felt they were trying to accomplish. On the one hand, there's the common thread of revenge against society or a particular demographic thereof; but on the other hand, Roof strikes me as considerably saner by comparison because unlike your typical self-fragging killing machines, he evidently never planned on overriding his own instinct for self-preservation.

What Roof did is more an act of social/political/racial/religious terrorism in that he wished to accomplish something beyond just the act itself, perhaps to effect change or spark a race war. It could also be that he was simply making a statement, but it's clear that he wants that statement to resonate. I'm sure personal notoriety has a lot to do with it, but it seems to me that it's simply a matter of having his own name attached to a cause that he believes in.

When I heard that he had managed to evade capture and was at large for a while, I knew that it wasn't just another self-destructive spree killer simply looking to go out in a blaze of blood and bullets. But again, I would consider neither him nor the other mass murderers I mentioned to be truly crazy. They're sane. They're just enraged, alienated, and -- at least in Roof's case -- "standing up for what they believe in." It's not as if God or some split personality told them to do it, so to me their "why's" are easily understood.

Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Metal Mike For This Useful Post:
realitynoshow
  #33  
Old 06-19-2015, 12:21 PM
TheVrist's Avatar
TheVrist
Offline:
😉
Poster Rank:88
dude
Join Date: Jan 2010
Contributions: 1
 
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Quoted: 4573 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
10/20 14/20
Today Posts
2/11 ssss11708
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Guys, MetalMike tried justifying his vehicularwindocide in the same manner ..

__________________
leaving people pounding their refresh button circa 2010.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TheVrist For This Useful Post:
Top Gear
  #34  
Old 06-19-2015, 12:33 PM
Metal Mike's Avatar
Metal Mike
Offline:
My Rank: MAJOR
Poster Rank:60
The Untrollable
Join Date: Jun 2013
 
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Quoted: 9256 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
0/20 7/20
Today Posts
0/11 ssss15388
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVrist View Post
Guys, MetalMike tried justifying his vehicularwindocide in the same manner ..
Ha. Who tries to justify an accident? That's just paradoxical.

Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 06-19-2015, 01:41 PM
TheVrist's Avatar
TheVrist
Offline:
😉
Poster Rank:88
dude
Join Date: Jan 2010
Contributions: 1
 
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Quoted: 4573 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
10/20 14/20
Today Posts
2/11 ssss11708
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Calm your pasty pale tits, I was kidding

As far as your statement, I would totally agree, had he actually took part in an organized outfit himself. The premeditation of escape really isn't justification for sanity. That is just part of the role he built into his false reality. It is also part of natural flight instinct. Just about every nutcase predator in the world goes into flight mode when it comes down to the act of being caught. Even nutcases that love to play the game of cat and mouse, and even WANT to be caught, attempt escape.

He has all of the classic signs of a very sick individual. Trying to dismiss it as a radical racist isn't plausible, because radical racist look for others that share their ideas, and become sociable to seek justifications for the predetermined acts.

Now on the flipside, many people already sit around on "the edge" they could live their entire lives on "the edge" and sometimes it can just take a small amount of substance to send them into blind acts of psychotic episodes. He was on heavy doses of drugs.

With all that said, what will people focus most on in this instance?
Guns, and race.

When the underlying issues are really, drugs and mental health.

__________________
leaving people pounding their refresh button circa 2010.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TheVrist For This Useful Post:
kikaha
  #36  
Old 06-19-2015, 01:43 PM
Nite's Avatar
Nite
Offline:
Retarded Genius
Poster Rank:3
Join Date: Dec 2009
 
Mentioned: 384 Post(s)
Quoted: 16124 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
11/20 14/20
Today Posts
2/11 ssss88606
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Then there's this
Good ol boys

Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-19-2015, 01:51 PM
TheVrist's Avatar
TheVrist
Offline:
😉
Poster Rank:88
dude
Join Date: Jan 2010
Contributions: 1
 
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Quoted: 4573 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
10/20 14/20
Today Posts
2/11 ssss11708
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nite View Post
Then there's this
Good ol boys
In most gulf coast cities they have several flags. The U.S flags fly at half mast, while the french, spanish,british, confederate etc flags remain full. Those flags don't represent the same thing as the American flag.

ofc it didn't take long for someone to nitpick.

__________________
leaving people pounding their refresh button circa 2010.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-19-2015, 04:08 PM
Metal Mike's Avatar
Metal Mike
Offline:
My Rank: MAJOR
Poster Rank:60
The Untrollable
Join Date: Jun 2013
 
Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Quoted: 9256 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
0/20 7/20
Today Posts
0/11 ssss15388
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVrist View Post
Calm your pasty pale tits, I was kidding

As far as your statement, I would totally agree, had he actually took part in an organized outfit himself. The premeditation of escape really isn't justification for sanity. That is just part of the role he built into his false reality. It is also part of natural flight instinct. Just about every nutcase predator in the world goes into flight mode when it comes down to the act of being caught. Even nutcases that love to play the game of cat and mouse, and even WANT to be caught, attempt escape.

He has all of the classic signs of a very sick individual. Trying to dismiss it as a radical racist isn't plausible, because radical racist look for others that share their ideas, and become sociable to seek justifications for the predetermined acts.

Now on the flipside, many people already sit around on "the edge" they could live their entire lives on "the edge" and sometimes it can just take a small amount of substance to send them into blind acts of psychotic episodes. He was on heavy doses of drugs.

With all that said, what will people focus most on in this instance?
Guns, and race.

When the underlying issues are really, drugs and mental health.
Radicals do not by definition have to be sane, nor do they have to be active members of a larger group or organization to be effective in their actions. Just look at ISIS and their "lone wolves." It is primarily beliefs, not banners, that bind men to a cause.

His flight will most certainly be submitted as evidence of his capacity to understand the forthcoming charges, i.e. his sanity by legal standards. Escape and attempts to conceal a crime are two of the greatest indicators that a defendant knew that what they were doing was wrong at the time that they committed their crime. So in other words, a justification for sanity (at least in the legal sense) is exactly what it happens to be.

Society has always had and will always have -- some would say "produce" -- those who feel irreparably alienated from it. The only difference between our culture now and our culture as it was in previous decades is that it's far far easier for even most "normal" people to become disconnected with one another in general due to the proliferation of all things internet. When that becomes commonplace, it only further exacerbates the disconnect that those on the fringe already feel by further lowering the standards of what is considered to be a healthy and acceptable level of social involvement and human interaction. Couple that with not only an endless flow of sensationalistic media masquerading as factual journalism, but also free and easy access to the kind of information required to build things like home-made explosives, and a failing mental health system that prefers to throw pills at problems like blind men throwing darts at a board, and the volatility and payload of society's outlying "ticking time bombs" increases exponentially.

I would also venture a guess that American society's gradual drift away from the kind of traditional values that produce stable nuclear families has resulted in a more casual or aloof approach to parenting that unfortunately loosens the reins on potentially problem children and allows them to operate under a much less watchful parental eye. While that may not be the case with Mr. Roof, I myself have lost count of the times I've personally witnessed parents and their children spending time together in public staring at their phones and exchanging a minimal amount of words (if any). For a child that for one reason or another has never had much success at "fitting in," it can easily result in a feeling of even further separation from general society and, by extension, humanity as a whole.

Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 06-19-2015, 04:38 PM
TheVrist's Avatar
TheVrist
Offline:
😉
Poster Rank:88
dude
Join Date: Jan 2010
Contributions: 1
 
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Quoted: 4573 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
10/20 14/20
Today Posts
2/11 ssss11708
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Quote:
Just look at ISIS and their "lone wolves." It is primarily beliefs, not banners, that bind men to a cause.
I am glad you said this... As I knew you would. It is just proof how the media has portrayed every act of insanity to fit a particular profile that totally eliminates any potential for real underlying problems. Many of the so called "lone wolves" only asserted themselves into the accumulation of cause for their actions. Some of the most recent events of "lone wolf activity" produced little no connection other than their own purpose---alone.

Media hammers the idea their cause was for the act of Terrorism, because they focused on that psycho's particular obsessions, why? because it is/was hot topic. The same they are/will doing here, focus on the obsession that drove the episode. Other mass murderers with dull or mundane obsessions hardly were viewed or surfaced, if they were not a hot topic.

Just pay attention to how the events of alleged ISIS lone wolves, and now this racist radical's 15 minutes of fame unfolds. then reflect on the significant difference from numerous other mass murders. Most that didn't have a current hot topic attached to their driven obsession pre-event, they spent more time re-reeling the actual event, not so much his driving point.

__________________
leaving people pounding their refresh button circa 2010.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 06-19-2015, 04:53 PM
TheVrist's Avatar
TheVrist
Offline:
😉
Poster Rank:88
dude
Join Date: Jan 2010
Contributions: 1
 
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Quoted: 4573 Post(s)
Activity Longevity
10/20 14/20
Today Posts
2/11 ssss11708
Re: Charleston Church Shooting: 9 Killed in What Officials Call a Hate Crime

Quote:
His flight will most certainly be submitted as evidence of his capacity to understand the forthcoming charges
Of course it will, in fact in legal definition NOTHING he did will be considered insane. It has been a common practice in law, with small doses of changes to it, to completely abolish the ability to make insanity pleas, and all of the loopholes associated with it. The guy could have been bouncing around calling himself Dean Martin, building poopoo snowmen in the middle of the church, and still be denied a the plea. Does not mean he isn't insane, it just means the judicial system wants to full control (as per voters choice) and the state handle it.

He will be charged, have some state paid physiatrist deem him fit for trial, get tried, adjudicated guilty, then sent to one of the state medical prisons that just so happens to accommodate crazy people.

__________________
leaving people pounding their refresh button circa 2010.
Reply With Quote

Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2010 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO