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Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise

America's leading merchants have spoken: The Confederate flag is coming off the shelves.

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Walmart, Amazon, eBay and Sears all announced bans on the sale of Confederate flag merchandise, amid an intensifying national debate over the use of the controversial flag.

The announcements are the latest indication that the flag, a symbol of the slave-holding South, has become toxic in the aftermath of a shooting last week at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina. Gov. Nikki Haley announced in a Monday afternoon news conference that she supports removing the Confederate flag from the state capitol grounds.

"We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the confederate flag from our assortment -- whether in our stores or on our web site," said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. "We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly -- this is one of those instances."

A spokesperson for Amazon told CNN Tuesday afternoon that the company would also remove Confederate flag merchandise.

Johnna Hoff, an eBay spokesperson, said that the Confederate flag has "become a contemporary symbol of divisiveness and racism." It is banning the sale of Confederate flags and "many items containing this image," Hoff said.

RELATED: Nikki Haley calls for removal of Confederate flag

The three companies' statements came in response to a CNN inquiry Monday.

Sears Holdings Corporation, which operates Sears and Kmart, also said it would remove confederate flag merchandise sold by third-party vendors online. It does not currently sell confederate flags at its stores, Sears Holdings spokesman Chris Brathwaite told CNN.

As of Monday, Walmart.com carried the Confederate flag as well as attire featuring the flag's design, such as T-shirts and belt buckles, and the auction site eBay also carried the Confederate flag and accessories such as handbags and jewelry. Amazon.com list pages of Confederate flag-related products, ranging from the flag itself to folding knives, T-shirts, blankets and even shower curtains).

Sales of three versions of the flag were up 1,670% to 2,305% over a period of 24 hours, according to Amazon data. One of those flags, priced at $1.80 plus shipping, is currently the ninth best-selling item in the Patio, Lawn & Garden department and the top-selling item among all outdoor flags and banners sold on Amazon.

The long-running debate over displaying the Confederate flag on government buildings took a swift turn after last week's massacre in Charleston, which left nine African-Americans dead in their church. The shooter, 21-year-old Dylann Roof, has confessed to the murders and has said he wanted to instigate a "race war."

One widely circulated photo of the shooter holding a gun and a Confederate flag has stirred intense outrage. Critics of the flag quickly called on South Carolina to take down what is widely viewed as a symbol of racism.

Haley on Monday declared it was time to remove the flag from the capitol grounds.

"This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," the second-term governor said, in an announcement that drew thunderous applause and cheers.

Haley was surrounded by many of the state's elected officials, including Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn and Republican Rep. Mark Sanford.

Many of the 2016 GOP presidential candidates and likely candidates -- including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker -- voiced their support for Haley's decision following her speech.
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NASCAR backs movement to remove Confederate flag from S.C. Statehouse

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NASCAR, a sport with deep Southern roots, issued a statement Tuesday supporting the movement to take down the Confederate flag from the South Carolina Statehouse grounds. The racing sanctioning body also reiterated its stance that while it discourages its use, it will not ban the flag from being flown by fans during race weekends.

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley urged state legislators Monday to pass a bill to remove the flag from the Statehouse grounds five days after nine African-American worshipers were shot and killed by 21-year-old Dylann Roof at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.


Since the killings, photos have emerged of Roof posing with the Confederate flag, a symbol often used by white supremacists but also embraced by those who see it as a symbol of Southern heritage.

"As we continue to mourn the tragic loss of life last week in Charleston, we join our nation's embrace of those impacted," NASCAR said in a statement released Tuesday afternoon. "NASCAR supports the position that South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley took on the Confederate Flag on Monday.

"As our industry works collectively to ensure that all fans are welcome at our races, NASCAR will continue our long-standing policy to disallow the use of the Confederate Flag symbol in any official NASCAR capacity."

NASCAR fans often fly flags from their campsites and motor homes while camping at the track. The Confederate flag, while not as common as in the past, still is the flag of choice of some NASCAR fans, especially at places in the Deep South such as Darlington Raceway in South Carolina. NASCAR has supported a program that would exchange flags of NASCAR drivers for Confederate flags at tracks.

"While NASCAR recognizes that freedom of expression is an inherent right of all citizens, we will continue to strive for an inclusive environment at our events," NASCAR said in the statement.

International Speedway Corp., the track operating company that owns Darlington Raceway, does not allow the sale of merchandise that include the Confederate flag at its 12 Sprint Cup tracks. Speedway Motorsports Inc., the operator of eight NASCAR tracks, also has a ban on those items being sold.

"We join NASCAR in support of South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley's position on the Confederate flag," ISC president John Saunders said in a statement. "ISC strives to ensure all fans are welcome to enjoy our events and maintains an inclusive environment at our facilities nationwide.

"ISC will continue our long-standing practice to prohibit the sale of Confederate flag material on our property."

The majority of stock in ISC is controlled by the France family, which also owns and operates NASCAR.

In 2012, Phoenix International Raceway planned to have golf star Bubba Watson drive the "General Lee," the car he owns from "The Dukes of Hazzard" television series, in a parade lap before its March race. NASCAR balked because the car has a Confederate flag painted on the roof (as it appeared on the show), and after conversations with track officials, those plans were canceled.

There is one African-American full-time driver -- Roush Fenway Racing's Darrell Wallace Jr., who competes in the Xfinity Series -- in NASCAR's three national divisions. NASCAR operates a "Drive for Diversity" program that awards driving and mechanic opportunities to minorities.

Carolina Panthers officials said Tuesday there are no plans to move the NFL team's training camp out of South Carolina if the flag remains on the Statehouse grounds.

But speaking for owner Jerry Richardson, spokesman Steven Drummond said: "Our organization prides itself on bringing people together. Divisive symbols and actions should not stand in conflict to progress, healing and the unification of all of our citizens."
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Interesting how that flag represents different things for different people

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How many times is this terrible incident going to be repeated in flawed point, in a childish one upmanship game?

Killing black children in churches is well, quintessential hate crime - a historical and irrefutable classic and horrific racist act. Admitted by the perpetrators and their supporters themselves

That was probably part of the kids mental palette of grievous action.

There is no excuse. For any brutality on any innocent people.

For any one here to try to minimize it by defaulting to another case or grasping at straws is pretty transparent.

Its fucked up yo. Sorry you hate black people so much you cant be objective and just say : Wow that is so wrong.
It's not a question of which crime was worse, since the comparison itself implies that they were both equally heinous. The question is why did one receive widespread nationwide media attention and the other did not? It's not as if one is assumed to be more common than the other.

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But to be quite honest, if I had to choose to be a victim in either one case or the other, I would prefer getting shot in Bible study as opposed to being kidnapped, raped, and executed.

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Interesting how that flag represents different things for different people
One thing, when it comes to American History, you definitely have to keep a braud opened mind. A lot of politics is inside everything. in the 1920s-1940s was the decades of revisionist doing everything in their power to basically white wash everything of our past.

Southern history being their biggest goal.

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It's not as if the entire country as a whole didn't profit off of slavery. It's just that the North industrialized first.

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I have never bought into being angrier at a criminal because of a trendy affiliation and in this case it's hate. We should be more upset about the hundreds of murderers on death row that argue that their death would be cruel as opposed to the slaughter many on death row have performed on innocents...without mercy being given. Criminals need to be punished for their crimes and prisons don't need to be social ghettos allowing fellowship....there should be work. 12 hour shifts and two inmates share a bunk in shifts. They should come in so tired they can only sleep. Crime would slow down as when you have it better on the outside and have to work anyway..........

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Ending racism is impossible, it won't happen for generations if ever.
I think we have the best we can expect right now. And that's a society where it's unacceptable to act racist. Being openly racist could cost you your job, friends, and privacy as well as safety.

What you shouldn't do is infringement on freedom of speech, in any way. Hate speech is protected, it has to be for America to continue to be America. We can't police each other's opinions. Our government can't be allowed to go after groups of people for their thoughts.

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WASHINGTON -- White supremacists on Thursday quickly tried to distance themselves from the suspect in the mass shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, worried that a white man killing nine people in a black church in South Carolina looked bad for their movement.

"This is going to be really bad, I'm afraid," wrote WhiteNationhood in a discussion thread on the white nationalist site Stormfront. "Condolences to the families."

"The media and the left will use this to support their narrative that whites are slaughtering blacks," added MattwhiteAmerica. "It will not matter what the truth is."

The gunman opened fire during a weekly Bible study meeting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston. Police have identified the shooter as 21-year-old Dylann Roof, who is now in police custody. Roof reportedly told churchgoers before the shooting, "I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go."

Stormfront commenters continued to hold out hope Thursday morning that perhaps Roof wasn't motivated by racism -- maybe it was anti-Christian hatred instead -- and their movement could keep what they think of as their good name.

"Lets not jump to conclusions and call him a WN [white nationalist] until there is an indication as such... The fact that he targeted a church gives me an inkling that it was religion-related," wrote WhiteVirginian.

"Yep, bad news for gun rights advocates as well," wrote maththeorylover2008. "Another nail in the coffin for the 2nd Amendment."

Time and again, many Stormfront members emphasized that their online community is one inclined to peace and racial harmony -- albeit segregated.

"[T]he Feds can waste all the time they want searching these threads," wrote member PureWhiteRagePWR. "SF is so dang PC, if it was a race crime it didn't come from here."

The site's members also took umbrage with what they perceived to be racial profiling against white people by the police. "Picking up whiteys who fit the bill in the area," posted member Craig Cobb above a screenshot of a local news report about a young white man being taken into police custody. "[H]e is hardly a prime suspect--just within a few blocks maybe, ha."

"If that's not the right guy they just ruined his life," echoed user sons of vengence, "[a]nd will never apologize for it."

Other commenters offered conspiracy theories about the shooting, suggesting that it was a setup aimed at distracting from conversations about race.

“These types of events are happening way too often and smell fishy to me,” wrote woden29. “People were beginning to talk about the race issue openly after ferguson, baltimore, and now the Rachel Dolezal scandal. Looks to me like the powers that be wanted to turn attention back to whitey if it turns out to be a white perp.”

There was some sympathy on the message boards, if not for the extent of the shooter's actions, then for his motivations.

"Okay, so I guess there is no question now, it was a white guy with a bad haircut," conceded GERyMOR. The user then suggested that the reasons Roof reportedly gave to his victims moments before he shot them are legitimate societal concerns. "It's a shame this happened and I do feel bad for the victims and their families. However, it's making me sick (although no surprise) how this is being spun by the media. Racially charged killings? It's a fact that Blacks commit way more crimes per capita and behave a certain way, that's why they get chased and hurt. They do rape our women, and they are taking over our country and cost way too much money to maintain. But none of these points will ever be addressed because then it would bring open discussion to the NEGRO PROBLEM IN OUR SOCIETY ... which is theREAL news."

"Obviously I am very against this heinous act of violence," WhiteVirginian said. "Although a White guy going on a mass shooting is made such a big event because it happens so rarely. Blacks commit mass shootings everyday in every major US city."

"Lets not make excuses when a person of our own race does something like this," added WhiteIsRight. "The guy was clearly a bad apple."

A number of Stormfront members seemed to be aware that their site would be subject to scrutiny by the press.

"We all condemn this sort of action," wrote sons of vengence. "We all despise it and think it cowardly. Make sure you write that on your next article about this incident!"

There seemed to be much less discussion of the shooting on a "WhiteRights" subreddit. "Shooting innocent middle aged black women in church is about the best way I can think of to help blacks win more sympathy and to fire up the anti-white groups," wrote one of apparently just two commenters.

"It's ok, mate, there are plenty of churches full of Negroes," wrote another. "Don't be too sad about it."

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