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And there you have it.

All of the reports of the route change having been deliberately pre-programmed into the flight computer.............DEBUNKED.
All of the reports of the change being made at least 12 minutes prior to the 1:19 "alright goodnight" last communication with ATC............DEBUNKED.

Whatever went wrong, went wrong quickly between 1:19 and 1:22.
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It also means that ACARS did not report any system errors or emergencies like fire warnings or cabin pressure warnings. Remember the cabin pressure warning from AF447. So presumably this also means that there were no fires or depressurization, unless one can invent an explosion that will take out some but not all communications and power systems and leave the aircraft in a flyable state.

Then it was very probably a deliberate act....

The "ghost plane after malfunction" theory does not work if any wreckage of MH370 is found in the SIO search area.

If a 777 reaches has a route discountinuity in the FMC, it reverts to HDG mode. All the MCP setting are referenced on magnetic unless in the polar regions (80 degrees N or S) or the HDG REF button is pushed. That would be a deliberate act of someone who knows the systems and implications.

In the case of the "Ghost plane" scenario the aircraft, after it turned WNW would have been either tracking to a programmed FMC waypoint or it would have been in a lateral AP mode referenced on magnetic north, HDG or TRK, it does not really matter. If tracking to the FMC waypoint, once it reached it, it would have reverted to HDG.

For the aircraft to track direct to the area of the last known ping and the current search area, there are only two ways to do it. One is a programmed FMC waypoint and the other is someone flying the aircraft via the HDG or TRK button and taking into account the 30-35 degree change in magnetic variation encountered along the route.

Here is the Isogonal chart for the Indian Ocean. The purple lines are magnetic variation.



Obviously if a pilot can take magnetic variation into account for 6-7 hours, he can also program an FMC to take him straight to the point. Deliberate action.

If a "ghost plane" had left the northern Malacca Strait and headed south in either HDG or TRK (remember TRK is still magnetic) going towards to the now search area, it would have had around 188 degrees (!) set in the HDG window. The following diagram indicate what would have happened in that case.



It is necessarily not definitive and works on a distance travelled every hour of 485 Knots GS and it takes the midpoint magnetic variation value in each leg.

The Pink line is the direct track.

The Yellow line is the approximate path a heading of 188 would have achieved if not changed from the northern Malacca Strait. The distance between the search datum/red line and the end of the yellow line is about 420NM.

The Red line is the approximate last ping satellite arc.

The Green line is an approximate track that a heading of about 197 would have taken to arrive at the search zone.

It is only valid if:

1. the previous pings match this approximate track and,

2. the fuel on board could have kept the aircraft flying for that length of time, and,

3. 197 was the last track set in the HDG window before the crew was incapacitated. This is approx 90 degrees away from the last known track.

It is also about 200nm longer than the direct track.

I haven't seen any evidence that the green line matches the track of the previous pings, nor know of any safety related reason why the crew would have selected a southerly heading after clearing the Malacca Strait.

Here is a closer view.


The Malaysian Govt has stated that direct interference is the primary suspect here. I believe that is based on evidence from the previous pings that would show a direct line being taken to the search area datum, which implies FMC input.

If nothing else, this shows that a "ghost plane" would have taken a curved path to the crash site due to reversionary AP modes and changes in magnetic variation.

Any direct line over such a distance however, must be deliberate programming of the FMC.


http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...-lost-378.html

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I was reading a theory yesterday that the plane turned round on itself so that the plane behind it came to be in front of it, thus masking it on the radar and allowing it to land in China safely. Anyone know if that is possible?

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I was reading a theory yesterday that the plane turned round on itself so that the plane behind it came to be in front of it, thus masking it on the radar and allowing it to land in China safely. Anyone know if that is possible?
Someone else already posted that theory in the thread. It is an interesting theory, but as for it landing in China is false. It still hasn't been found as of this writing.

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Amazing that Japanese and Chinese planes are coordinating in this search now, traditional enemies..Political differences forgotten for now in this task


The French have said they have satellite image (third now) in the vicinity.
Interesting you mention that...I was thinking about that last night...how this single event has brought together so many together for the greater good. I don't recall seeing Russia helping out though...(unless I missed it). They are too busy playing real life RISK.

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The Malaysian police are still at the Captains home presumably keeping the place sterile....And the FBI are still checking his computers HDD for these deleted simulator files....It seems he's never navigated in the area they're searching atm and I gather he wouldn't have the skills or experience to manage the magnetic variations...It may be simulated flights doing so that they are seeking.

Oh and computer forensics of the type the FBI are having to do can take weeks.

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They flew it to the dark side of the moon where osama, hitler and numerous other super villains previously thought extinct are plotting the downfall of earth.

Obviously.

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They flew it to the dark side of the moon where osama, hitler and numerous other super villains previously thought extinct are plotting the downfall of earth.

Obviously.
Obviously!!

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They flew it to the dark side of the moon where osama, hitler and numerous other super villains previously thought extinct are plotting the downfall of earth.

Obviously.
You forgot to mention the other super villains including the Zeta Reticulians, Bigfoot, the Hopkinsville Goblins, Pol Pot, Brian Mulroney, and that Lord Kinboat alien from that one X-Files episode I can't name at the moment.

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Chinese plane spots 'suspicious' objects
A Chinese plane hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has spotted "suspicious" objects, state media say, as more nations joined the search.



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Searchers saw two "relatively big" objects with "many white smaller ones scattered within a radius of several kilometres", Xinhua news agency said.

Australia said it had been informed and would try to locate the objects.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, with 239 people on board.

Ten planes were due to scour the southern Indian Ocean area on Monday for possible debris picked up earlier by radar echoes and satellite imagery.

Two Chinese military planes flew out to the search area, around 2,500 km (1,550 miles) south-west of Australian city Perth, on Monday morning, while two Japanese P-3 Orion aircraft were to set off later in the day.


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They joined six other planes, including US and Australian military planes, in searching a 68,500 sq km (26,000 sq miles) area in the ocean.

An Australian navy ship is already in the area, while several Chinese ships are also on their way.

Bad weather
The latest objects were spotted by the crew of a Chinese IL-76 plane. The crew had informed the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) of the co-ordinates, Xinhua said, as well as China's ice-breaker Xue Long, which was heading to the area.

In a statement, Amsa said it "was advised about the reported objects sighted by a Chinese aircraft.

"The reported objects are within today's search area and attempts will be made to relocate them."

Earlier on Monday, Amsa - which is co-ordinating search efforts - warned that conditions in the search area were expected to deteriorate.

Warren Truss, Australia's acting prime minister while Tony Abbott is abroad, said that a tropical cyclone north of the search area could "stir up less favourable weather" for the search.

The search for flight MH370 has been in two large corridors - one stretching to the north-west of the last known location in the Malacca Straits and one to the south-west.

However, none of the countries on the northern corridor have reported any radar contact, and the Australian and Chinese satellite images of possible debris in the south Indian Ocean have concentrated the search there.

On Sunday, French officials said radar echoes from a satellite also identified possible debris in the south Indian Ocean.

The objects identified by the French satellite were "about 850 km north of our current search area", Mr Truss told Australian broadcaster ABC.

"That's not in the area that had been identified as the most likely place where the aircraft may have entered the sea. But having said all that we've got to check out all the options."

On Monday, the US Pacific Command said it was moving a black box locator to the region "as a precautionary measure in case a debris field is located".

The equipment, which has a "highly sensitive listening capability", detects pings from the black box while being towed behind a ship.

The move did not indicate that debris had been found, the US added, but would enable search officers to "respond as quickly as possible" if debris is seen, "since the battery life of the black box's pinger is limited".

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It might be time to admit they don't know what the fuxck they're doing, guys.

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